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Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (hearing transcript, Subcommittee on Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence, and Counterproliferation, 17 May 2022)

House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence · 2022-05-17 · 53 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the transcript of the open session of a hearing on unidentified aerial phenomena, held on 17 May 2022 by the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence's Subcommittee on Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence, and Counterproliferation. Under Secretary Ronald Moultrie and Deputy Director of Naval Intelligence Scott Bray testified on the new AOIMSG office, efforts to reduce stigma in reporting, and a UAP database of about 400 reports. Bray showed videos, explained flashing triangles as drones seen through night vision goggles, and called the 2004 Nimitz incident unresolved.

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Mr. Crawford. Gotcha. With regard to videos that have appeared in
open-source channels, for example, a TikTok video, does AOIMSG maintain control of
videos? And how to you prevent leaks of potentially classified videos or other material?
Mr. Moultrie. So the AOIMSG, as we establish that organization, we will have a
process for classified and compartmental holdings, and we will find a way of getting
positive control over those. We have our sensitive access programs and special access
programs that allow us to put what we call SAPs around things, and there is controlled
access programs that allow us to put CAPs around things. So we will have that in place.
Our goal would be ensuring that we are sharing that with the appropriate analysts and
the appropriate exploiters, if you will, who can look at that data too. What we don't
want to do is bring something into a DOD database or a DOD holding and then have
somebody wrap us around it is not available to those who really need to look at it and to
exploit it. And so that is one of the reasons we are establishing relationships with the
interagency, with the IC, and others to be able to do that, sir. But we will do our best to
maintain positive control over the materials that we have within our holdings.
Mr. Crawford. Thank you.
Chairman Carson. Chairman Schiff.
Mr. Schiff. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
I am just going back to the 2021 report, you know, under the category of UAP
appear to demonstrate advanced technology, those 18 incidents in which some of the
UAP appeared to remain stationary, winds aloft, move against the wind, maneuver
abruptly or move at considerable speed without discernible means of propulsion. It
goes on to say, in a small number of cases, military aircraft systems processed radio
frequency energy associated with UAP sightings. I couldn't tell from that whether that
small number of cases was a part of the subset of 18, that is, among the 18 which

Cases discussed

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