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Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (hearing transcript, Subcommittee on Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence, and Counterproliferation, 17 May 2022)

House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence · 2022-05-17 · 53 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the transcript of the open session of a hearing on unidentified aerial phenomena, held on 17 May 2022 by the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence's Subcommittee on Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence, and Counterproliferation. Under Secretary Ronald Moultrie and Deputy Director of Naval Intelligence Scott Bray testified on the new AOIMSG office, efforts to reduce stigma in reporting, and a UAP database of about 400 reports. Bray showed videos, explained flashing triangles as drones seen through night vision goggles, and called the 2004 Nimitz incident unresolved.

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Deputy Director of Naval Intelligence, for information that we have when it does not
involve sources and methods or -- and when we can with a reasonable degree of
confidence determine that it does not pose a foreign intelligence or national security
threat, and it is within my authority to do so, I commit to declassifying that. So I believe
very much in the transparency of this, and we work very hard to balance that with our
national security needs.
Mr. Moultrie. And I will just add, Congressman, just over the last 3, 4 months, I
think that the Intelligence Community and the national defense apparatus have disclosed
more information on various events than it has probably seen in the previous 10 years.
You have our commitment to work closely with the Director of National Intelligence and
others in the declassification and downgrading of intel apparatus to ensure that we can
get whatever information that we can out to the American people and to the public writ
large.
Chairman Carson. I greatly appreciate it, sir.
Ranking Member Crawford.
Mr. Crawford. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Representative Stefanik is en route, I
believe. Just real quickly, but in the interim, if I could, if you will indulge me, I just have
a couple real small questions. One is, do we have an example? Can you cite a specific
example of an object that can't be explained as having been human-made or natural?
Mr. Bray. I mean, the example that I would say that it is still unresolved that I
think everyone understands quite well is the 2004 incident from Nimitz. We have data
on that, and that simply remains unresolved. It does not mean it resolves to being
something, right, that is easily explainable or difficult -- obviously, it resolved to being
something that is difficult to explain. But I can't point to something that definitively was
not manmade, but I can point to a number of examples which remain unresolved.

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