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Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (hearing transcript, Subcommittee on Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence, and Counterproliferation, 17 May 2022)

House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence · 2022-05-17 · 53 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the transcript of the open session of a hearing on unidentified aerial phenomena, held on 17 May 2022 by the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence's Subcommittee on Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence, and Counterproliferation. Under Secretary Ronald Moultrie and Deputy Director of Naval Intelligence Scott Bray testified on the new AOIMSG office, efforts to reduce stigma in reporting, and a UAP database of about 400 reports. Bray showed videos, explained flashing triangles as drones seen through night vision goggles, and called the 2004 Nimitz incident unresolved.

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There is a lot of information like the video that we showed in which there is simply too
little data to create a reasonable explanation. There are a small handful of cases in
which we have more data that our analysis simply hasn't been able to fully pull together a
picture of what happened, and those are the cases where we talk about where we see
some indications of flight characteristics or signature management that are not what we
had expected.
When it comes to material that we have, we have no material. We have
detected no emanations within the UAP Task Force that is -- that would suggest it is
anything nonterrestrial in origin.
So there is, when I say unexplained, I mean everything from too little data to we
simply -- the data that we have doesn't point us towards an explanation, but we will go
wherever the data takes us.
Again, we make no assumptions about what this is or isn't. We are committed to
understanding these, and so we will go wherever that data takes us.
Mr. Himes. Thank you. That is very helpful.
And so I think it bears emphasis. When you say "we can't explain," everything
that you can't explain is in a bucket called data. Is that correct? And that would mean
data collected by sensors, visual observations, everything that "we can't explain,"
quote/unquote, is in the bucket called data.
Mr. Bray. Right. A narrative report from the early 2000s, if it just had a little bit
of information on it, would be in our database, and it would be unresolved.
Mr. Moultrie. I would add to that it is insufficient data. I mean, that is one of
the challenges we have. Insufficient data either on the event itself, the object itself, or
insufficient data or plug-in with some other organization or agency that may have had
something in that space at that time. So it is a data issue that we are facing in many of

Cases discussed

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