Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (hearing transcript, Subcommittee on Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence, and Counterproliferation, 17 May 2022)

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are lots of things, when you are moving very fast and an object is between you and a
stationary reference point like the ground, it gives a lot of different impressions about
how quickly something is or isn't moving. And it actually means it is a challenge,
especially with narrative-based data, to get a lot of information on that.
That is why the sensor data is so important, because things do happen very
quickly, as you see there. And sometimes things that happen very quickly, something
may be moving very slow. That aircraft is moving quite fast. How fast that object is
moving that goes by is probably very slow.
Mr. Himes. So I guess my point is that an observation, either a visual observation
or an electronic observation, infrared or whatever, looks radically different than it does to
most people. Even instruments, instruments are on gimbals and that sort of thing. So
that creates a very unusual view to, again, those of us who are seeing things in two
dimension largely.
Second question, I think, Mr. Bray, you said something that I want to unpack a
little bit. A number of these UAPs, you said, we can't explain. Again, in the service of
sort of reducing speculation and conspiracy theories, "we can't explain" can range from a
visual observation that was distant on a foggy night, we don't know what it is, to we have
found an organic material that we can't identify. Right? Those are radically different
worlds.
So, when you say "we can't explain," give the public a little bit better sense of
where on that spectrum of "we can't explain" we are. Are we holding materials, organic
or inorganic, that we don't know about? Are we, you know, picking up emanations that
are something other than light or infrared that could be deemed to be communications?
Give us a sense for what you mean when you say we can't explain.
Mr. Bray. Sure. When I say we can't explain, I mean exactly as you described.