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Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (hearing transcript, Subcommittee on Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence, and Counterproliferation, 17 May 2022)

House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence · 2022-05-17 · 53 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the transcript of the open session of a hearing on unidentified aerial phenomena, held on 17 May 2022 by the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence's Subcommittee on Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence, and Counterproliferation. Under Secretary Ronald Moultrie and Deputy Director of Naval Intelligence Scott Bray testified on the new AOIMSG office, efforts to reduce stigma in reporting, and a UAP database of about 400 reports. Bray showed videos, explained flashing triangles as drones seen through night vision goggles, and called the 2004 Nimitz incident unresolved.

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Dr. Wenstrup. Okay. And I think that is an important thing and for the other
session actually that we don't discuss that now because, you know, obviously something
like this can be a national security challenge for us, no doubt about it. If they are
developed by an adversary through some breakthrough technology, they can be very
disruptive to our military actions or at least serve as a destruction.
So my caution would be: Be careful who we share our data with and don't
necessarily trust some of the data that we may get from someone else.
And, with that, I yield back.
Chairman Carson. The gentleman yields back.
Mr. Himes.
Mr. Himes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
One of the objectives of this open hearing is to try to erode some of the stigma
that attaches to, in particular, our military men and women reporting this. It is
obviously really very serious because, should one of our adversaries have developed a
technology that we don't know about it, we need to know about it yesterday. And,
obviously, any sort of stigma that prevents our military from reporting this data as
comprehensively as possible is a national security threat.
So I really just have two questions in the service of that goal. The first is the
chairman asked that we run that video again. Most people, when they see a video, we
are all used to seeing things from a car, seeing things from a sidewalk. Very few people
have the experience of observing something through night vision goggles at Mach 1.5.
So just talk for a minute about, if you would, whichever of you is most
appropriate, how radically different observation is at high speed and three dimension
than it is for most of us who walk around and drive cars.
Mr. Bray. So the first thing I think that is important to note about this is there

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