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Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (hearing transcript, Subcommittee on Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence, and Counterproliferation, 17 May 2022)

House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence · 2022-05-17 · 53 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the transcript of the open session of a hearing on unidentified aerial phenomena, held on 17 May 2022 by the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence's Subcommittee on Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence, and Counterproliferation. Under Secretary Ronald Moultrie and Deputy Director of Naval Intelligence Scott Bray testified on the new AOIMSG office, efforts to reduce stigma in reporting, and a UAP database of about 400 reports. Bray showed videos, explained flashing triangles as drones seen through night vision goggles, and called the 2004 Nimitz incident unresolved.

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Dr. Wenstrup. Do we have any reports nonmilitary?
Mr. Bray. Yes.
Dr. Wenstrup. Thank you. That is my question.
And do we need to put out protocol for civilians that may be in that arena like
through FAA? Do you think that would be appropriate and helpful?
Mr. Bray. I think standardized reporting without a doubt is key to helping us get
to the -- to ascertain what some of these are.
Dr. Wenstrup. I think it would be important as well.
Do we -- there are other people besides the U.S. that have had these experiences
and reported them. Is that correct?
Mr. Bray. There are. That is correct.
Dr. Wenstrup. Is it all of our allies, or is it allies and adversaries? What have we
learned publicly?
Mr. Moultrie. So some of that, sir, I think we will save for closed session.
Dr. Wenstrup. Well, that goes to my next question. Publicly have others made
anything, which would not have to be considered closed. I don't want you to answer
what they have said necessarily.
Mr. Bray. Allies have seen these. China has established its own version of a
UAP task force. So clearly a number of countries have observations of things in the
airspace that they can't identify.
Dr. Wenstrup. And do we share data with some, with all? Are they sharing
with us?
Mr. Bray. We share data with some, and some share data with us.
Dr. Wenstrup. But not necessarily all that have publicly reported something?
Mr. Bray. That is correct.

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