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This is the transcript of the open session of a hearing on unidentified aerial phenomena, held on 17 May 2022 by the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence's Subcommittee on Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence, and Counterproliferation. Under Secretary Ronald Moultrie and Deputy Director of Naval Intelligence Scott Bray testified on the new AOIMSG office, efforts to reduce stigma in reporting, and a UAP database of about 400 reports. Bray showed videos, explained flashing triangles as drones seen through night vision goggles, and called the 2004 Nimitz incident unresolved.
30 Dr. Wenstrup. That is why I asked that question. Are we capable or have we made any breakthroughs or anyone made any breakthroughs to be able to sight something and make some determination at all of its composition, whether it is a solid or a gas? Is there any such capability? Mr. Bray. From -- Dr. Wenstrup. I am not asking what. I am just -- Mr. Bray. Right. From some of the returns, I mean, it is clear that the majority -- well, it is clear that many of the observations we have are physical objects from the sensor data that we have. Dr. Wenstrup. Well, gas is physical, is a physical object. It can be. And so -- you see where I am going with this? I am trying to determine what it is we are looking at so if we can decide if something is a solid or a gas. Have there been any conclusion on its capabilities, like its capabilities of movement, of turning, going, you know, 180 degrees or a 90-degree turn, anything along that line that we have been able to determine? Mr. Bray. Within the -- and, again, I should point out that, you know, that there is not a single explanation for UAP. They make up -- there are a lot of different things that are unidentified aerial phenomena. Dr. Wenstrup. Basically, we really don't know much on that. That is all I am trying to get at. And I am pleased that you have protocol right now for our military. But are there any nonmilitary reports coming forward of similar events, or is it all coming from military? Mr. Bray. The UAP Task Force has a very good working relationship with the FAA. They have a very good working relationship with other parts of the U.S. Government so that we can ingest reports from --
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