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Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (hearing transcript, Subcommittee on Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence, and Counterproliferation, 17 May 2022)

House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence · 2022-05-17 · 53 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the transcript of the open session of a hearing on unidentified aerial phenomena, held on 17 May 2022 by the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence's Subcommittee on Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence, and Counterproliferation. Under Secretary Ronald Moultrie and Deputy Director of Naval Intelligence Scott Bray testified on the new AOIMSG office, efforts to reduce stigma in reporting, and a UAP database of about 400 reports. Bray showed videos, explained flashing triangles as drones seen through night vision goggles, and called the 2004 Nimitz incident unresolved.

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triangles, the hypothesis is that those are commercial drones that, because of the use of
night vision goggles, appear like triangles? Is that the operating assessment?
Mr. Bray. Some type of drone, some type of unmanned aerial system, and it is
simply that that light source resolves itself through the night vision goggles onto the SLR
camera as a triangle.
Mr. Schiff. And have we, in order to prove that hypothesis, flown a drone and
observed it with that same technology to see whether we can reproduce the effect?
Mr. Bray. The UAP Task Force is aware of studies that have done that.
Mr. Schiff. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
I yield back.
Chairman Carson. The gentleman yields back.
Dr. Wenstrup.
Dr. Wenstrup. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Thank you all for being here.
My first question is through this process where there has been sightings, have the
sightings been stationary? Or have they always been sighted from a moving object,
from a plane or a ship that may be moving? Have these reports ever come from a
stationary object being observed in the sky?
Mr. Bray. The UAP Task Force does have reports from stationary, from -- reports
from a stationary observer.
Dr. Wenstrup. There is a difference observing something when you are
moving --
Mr. Bray. Right.
Dr. Wenstrup. -- as well as it is physics, right?
Mr. Bray. Right.

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