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This is the transcript of the open session of a hearing on unidentified aerial phenomena, held on 17 May 2022 by the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence's Subcommittee on Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence, and Counterproliferation. Under Secretary Ronald Moultrie and Deputy Director of Naval Intelligence Scott Bray testified on the new AOIMSG office, efforts to reduce stigma in reporting, and a UAP database of about 400 reports. Bray showed videos, explained flashing triangles as drones seen through night vision goggles, and called the 2004 Nimitz incident unresolved.
51 Chairman Carson. Thank you, Chairman. As the ODNI report makes clear, one possible explanation for UAPs is that we are detecting U.S. aircraft, either secret air programs or even test prototypes. I won't ask you in this setting, obviously, to describe any secret DOD programs. That said, I do want to make sure the U.S. Government isn't chasing its own tail. Firstly, do you have a clear and repeatable process to check with compartmented programs about whether a UAP sighting is attributable to a U.S. aircraft? Secondly, does the AOIMSG staff have the clearances and read-ons that they need to investigate all of these incidents? And, thirdly, when your staff cannot be read on, are your questions to those who are read on even being answered? Mr. Moultrie. Well, I will start, and then I will pass that to Mr. Bray. So we are very conscious of the potential blue-on-blue issue or U.S. on U.S. And so we have established relationships with organizations and entities that are potentially flying or developing platforms for their own interest, if you will. And our goal is to continue. And we have a repeatable process -- I think we have had that process for some time -- to deconflict activities that we may have to ensure that we are not potentially reporting on something that may be a developmental platform or a U.S. operational platform that is performing, either testing or performing a mission. So we will have that in place. We have already had those discussions with organizations and entities. We want to ensure that we are protecting their equities. We want to ensure that we are protecting their sources and methods while also getting at we have here; we want to be able to deconflict those. Mr. Bray. Absolutely. The UAP Task Force has had a process in place to work with other elements of the Department of Defense and other elements of the government to ensure that there is as simple a way as possible to deconflict those. And,
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