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Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (hearing transcript, Subcommittee on Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence, and Counterproliferation, 17 May 2022)

House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence · 2022-05-17 · 53 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the transcript of the open session of a hearing on unidentified aerial phenomena, held on 17 May 2022 by the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence's Subcommittee on Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence, and Counterproliferation. Under Secretary Ronald Moultrie and Deputy Director of Naval Intelligence Scott Bray testified on the new AOIMSG office, efforts to reduce stigma in reporting, and a UAP database of about 400 reports. Bray showed videos, explained flashing triangles as drones seen through night vision goggles, and called the 2004 Nimitz incident unresolved.

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government. And so our goal is not to potentially cover up something if we were to find
something, it is to understand what may be out there, examine what it may mean for us,
if there are any, from a defense perspective, any national security implications or
ramifications, but then to work with organizations, as appropriate, if it is a weather
phenomenology with NOAA, if it is a potential for extraterrestrial life or indication of
extraterrestrial life with someone like NASA.
Mr. Welch. So the transparency actually is very important --
Mr. Moultrie. Completely.
Mr. Welch. -- for public consumption.
Mr. Moultrie. Completely.
Mr. Welch. We are going to have a classified briefing. Without going into the
details of what kinds of secrets that we can't share here, what is it -- what are we
protecting? I don't know if you can answer this question in this open forum, but, in fact,
your perception of what it is we have to, quote, protect.
Mr. Moultrie. Well, I think right now what is really important for us to protect is
how we know certain things. So there are a lot of things that we know -- whether it be
about the thinking of other leaders around the world, the weapon systems that are being
developed, or how we detect things that may be threats to us. Many of those things are
the result of some of our most sensitive sources and methods. And we will use those
things not just for this effort, but those same sources and methods are used to help
protect us from adversaries and from others who might mean to do us harm.
There aren't separate UAP sensors. There is not a separate UAP processing
computer. There is not a separate UAP dissemination chain, or whatever. So it is the
same process. It is the same system that we have -- that helps us do all that. We need
to protect them because this is something that we are looking at, but there are going to

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