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Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (hearing transcript, Subcommittee on Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence, and Counterproliferation, 17 May 2022)

House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence · 2022-05-17 · 53 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the transcript of the open session of a hearing on unidentified aerial phenomena, held on 17 May 2022 by the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence's Subcommittee on Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence, and Counterproliferation. Under Secretary Ronald Moultrie and Deputy Director of Naval Intelligence Scott Bray testified on the new AOIMSG office, efforts to reduce stigma in reporting, and a UAP database of about 400 reports. Bray showed videos, explained flashing triangles as drones seen through night vision goggles, and called the 2004 Nimitz incident unresolved.

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armaments against a UAP, correct?
Mr. Bray. That is correct.
Mr. Krishnamoorthi. How about wreckage? Have we come across any
wreckage of any kind of object that has now been examined by you?
Mr. Bray. The UAP Task Force doesn't have any wreckage that isn't
explainable -- that isn't consistent with being of terrestrial origin.
Mr. Krishnamoorthi. Do we have any sensors underwater to detect on
submerged UAPs? Anything that is in the ocean or in the seas?
Mr. Moultrie. So I think that would be more appropriately addressed in closed
session, sir.
Mr. Krishnamoorthi. Okay. I think one of the biggest questions that I have is
we say with a lot of probability, we say that they, quote/unquote, probably do represent
physical objects, close quote. When we say "probably," is that because we cannot
conclusively say that they are physical objects?
Mr. Bray. In a task force report, when I say probably represent physical objects,
most of them represent physical objects. There could be some that are more of a, of a,
you know, meteorological phenomena, or something like that, that may not be a physical
object in the sense that most people think of something you go up and touch.
Mr. Krishnamoorthi. But the ones where you say most of them represent
physical objects, can you say that they are definitely, like with a hundred percent
certainty, that they are physical objects?
Mr. Bray. I can say with certainty that a number of these are physical objects?
Mr. Krishnamoorthi. Okay. So we can't rule out that some of them may not be
physical objects?
Mr. Bray. Some certainly could be a sensor anomaly or something like that.

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