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Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (hearing transcript, Subcommittee on Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence, and Counterproliferation, 17 May 2022)

House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence · 2022-05-17 · 53 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the transcript of the open session of a hearing on unidentified aerial phenomena, held on 17 May 2022 by the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence's Subcommittee on Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence, and Counterproliferation. Under Secretary Ronald Moultrie and Deputy Director of Naval Intelligence Scott Bray testified on the new AOIMSG office, efforts to reduce stigma in reporting, and a UAP database of about 400 reports. Bray showed videos, explained flashing triangles as drones seen through night vision goggles, and called the 2004 Nimitz incident unresolved.

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Mr. Bray. We will talk about the multisensor part in a later session, but in this
case, we have at least that.
Mr. Schiff. In the Director of National Intelligence 2021 unclassified report, the
ODNI reported 144 UAPs between 2004 and 2021, 80 percent of which were recorded on
multiple instruments.
And I take it, with respect to some of those, you had the pilot, a pilot seeing them,
if it was observed by a pilot --
Mr. Bray. Right.
Mr. Schiff. -- and you had multiple instruments recording it. So you really have
three sensors, the human sensor and two technical sensors detecting the object. Is that
correct?
Mr. Bray. For the -- for the majority of incidents that we had in the last year's
report, the majority had multisensor data. When I talk about the 400 reports that we
have now, that number will certainly go down because a lot of those new reports that we
have are actually historic reports that are narrative-based. So that percentage will go
down just as a factor of the fact that the destigmatization has resulted in more narrative
reports.
Mr. Schiff. And that is the object we are looking at right now.
Mr. Bray. That is it right there.
Mr. Schiff. Okay. Last year's report also said that of those 144, 18 of them
reportedly appeared to exhibit unusual flight characteristics, appeared to demonstrate
advanced technology, and some of them appeared to remain stationary and winds aloft,
move against the wind, maneuver abruptly, or move at considerable speed without
discernible means of propulsion.
That is pretty intriguing. And, if you are able to answer this in this setting, are we

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