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This is the transcript of the open session of a hearing on unidentified aerial phenomena, held on 17 May 2022 by the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence's Subcommittee on Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence, and Counterproliferation. Under Secretary Ronald Moultrie and Deputy Director of Naval Intelligence Scott Bray testified on the new AOIMSG office, efforts to reduce stigma in reporting, and a UAP database of about 400 reports. Bray showed videos, explained flashing triangles as drones seen through night vision goggles, and called the 2004 Nimitz incident unresolved.
16 foreign adversary systems, or an other bin that allows for a holding bin of difficult cases and for the possibility of surprise and potential scientific discovery. We stand by those initial results. Since the release of that preliminary report, UAP database has now grown to contain approximately 400 reports. The stigma has been reduced. We have also made progress in resolving the character of a limited number of UAP encounters. For example, let me show a couple -- another video and image taken years apart in different areas. [Video shown.] Mr. Bray. In this video, U.S. Navy personnel recorded what appears to be triangles, some flashing, recorded several years ago off the coast of the United States. This was the recorded while the U.S. Navy ship observed a number of small, unmanned aerial systems in the area. Importantly, the video was taken through night vision goggles with a single-lens reflex camera. These remained unresolved for several years. [Video shown.] Mr. Bray. Several years later and off a different coast, U.S. Navy personnel, again in a swarm of unmanned aerial systems and, again, through night vision goggles and an SLR camera, recorded this image. But this time other U.S. Navy assets also observed unmanned aerial systems nearby, and we are now reasonably confident that these triangles correlate to unmanned aerial systems in the area. The triangular appearance is a result of light passing through the night vision goggles and then being recorded by an SLR camera. I don't mean to suggest that everything that we observe is identifiable. But the -- it -- but this is a great example of how it takes considerable effort to understand what we are seeing in the examples that we are able to collect.
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