A: No. We were the balloonists. This was all groundbased stuff. There was also an operation in Bermuda. Then later you'll find...
Q: Crary also initiated that?
A: He was in charge of it. He was running it. They went and got a whole bunch of 500 pound bombs out of the Earl Ammunition Depot in New Jersey. Later you'll find that they did a bunch down in the Canal zone. Then eventually they went to Alaska.
Q: This was prior to '47?
A: The New Jersey, and I think the Bermuda operation, you'll find a hint in this diary I gave you, you'll find a hint about Bermuda and so on in there. He was talking about trying to measure the sky waves coming in.
If you're interested, we can go extract, there's a paper in the Journal of Meteorology in something like '47.
Q: I believe I have that. Is that the same one?
A: No, this is by Crary.
Q: Crary did quite a few publications for Red Bank and then for Cambridge Labs.
A: Correct. But you'll find one, I think it's either '74 or '49. If you want we can go over to our library and make you a xerox of it.
Q: I'm familiar with that one.
A: It's very circumspect as far as classified matter.
Q: So Peoples and Crary had Columbia University affiliation?
A: Well, Watson. They were derived from Columbia. Both of them were derived... I think Peoples got his PhD under Ewing at Columbia, and Crary didn't get his doctorate until later.
Q: You said Crary's ground station was Alamagordo, but he was actually doing explosions in Alaska, off Bermuda, Panama, the Jersey coast.
A: In the late '46, early '47 era, he was in Alamagordo, in and around Alamagordo. He was very concerned about explosions off the Jersey coast and I think off Bermuda. The Panama Canal operation I think was not associated with Alamagordo at that time.