SC: Somewhere up in the North, wasn't he?
MC: He is our generation. He would have retired.
RW: Did he switch over to the Air Force too, when he...
MC: Who Macamer?
RW: Yeah.
MC: Oh, yeah. He was in the 8th Air Force.
RW: So when you all just went over to the USAF when it formed in September?
SC: He went right along with the 8th Air Force, becoming USAF. We being OSI, well...
MC: He was always Air Force. He was always Army CIC, or was he?
SC: Who, me?
MC: No. No. Carl.
SC: Carl wasn't even in the CIC. He was in intelligence. He was just in the intelligence office there at...He was under Marcel. He was under Blanchard. He was under Ramey. Wasn't that the General's name over at the 8th Air Force, Roger Ramey?
RW: Yeah, that's right. In fact, they named a SAC base in Puerto Rico after him.
SC: The things that Ramey and Blanchard used to! Blanchard came over to the Philippines. I think he was IG in 1963 or 4 and I was District Commander of the OSI District 42 in the Philippines. We had a few chuckles together and...
MC: Do you recall once when we were some place and Roger, and Ramey and I were dinner partners. I think it was Greece. You were on one of your many trips.
RW: Blanchard was the IG, you're right.
SC: He and Ramey, I don't know what he was after the commander of the Eight Air Force, but he and Blanchard use to have some...(unintelligible). Oh Lord! I knew these guys pretty well. No. I don't know anything about any crashed space ships. I don't know anything about any little men.
MC: I am quite sure that we never gave it a thought until that book.