SC: Some here, some here, some here. No concentration of it. No marks in the ground, dug up, anything hidden, or anything like that, just out on the territory around the bottom of New Mexico, just good for growing sheep - they don't eat too well.
RW: Yeah, I don't imagine. They probably have to eat on the run out there. Do you remember at the time the article or the photo of General Ramey and Marcel holding up a piece of material? Have you seen that since that time?
SC: Oh yeah, I have seen it, yeah, but at the time I don't recall seeing anything like that.
RW: In that photo, actually there are four separate photos there, Marcel, I think in two of them, is holding up material. Does that look like the material that you picked up out in the desert? Actually it's in this book if you don't mind...
MC: I was going to say that I think it's in there.
SC: I don't remember...Yeah, Yeah, that's...
RW: The first picture is actually with Jesse Marcel and that's General Blanchard and...
SC: I think this was taken at the Headquarters at Carswell.
RW: Yeah, that's right. That's correct.
SC: And I obviously...Marcel took it to Fort Worth. Yeah that's the...
RW: Yeah. That doesn't look like they substituted anything from what you found?
SC: No, No.
RW: Is this about the extent of the material? I realize you can't see all of it in any of the pictures. Or was there large...could you fill up an airplane with it?
SC: Oh, good God! You couldn't fill up (unintelligible) with it. Yeah, I can't tell what those sticks look like. But, as I recall, to me they look like bamboo or some sort of very small lav type material ripped out.
RW: Could you break them or bend them, or...
SC: I didn't try.
RW: O.K.
SC: It was someone else's balloon as far as I was concerned. I didn't want to fool around with it.