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Terauchi interview transcript, Dick Gordon, 2 Jan 1987

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This FAA record of interview documents a January 2, 1987 session in Anchorage, Alaska, in which Inspector Richard O. Gordon of FSDO-63 questioned JAL Captain Kenju Terauchi about his crew's November 17, 1986 sighting. Terauchi describes two small craft with exhaust-like lights that flew near his aircraft and a much larger mothership, and says the target appeared green on his onboard radar. He also reports VHF interference and says the objects matched his 360-degree turn and his descent.

  • p. 2 RECORD OF INTERVIEW WITH JAL CAPTAIN Richard Gordon, Manager, FSD0-63 Kenju Terauchi, Captain, JAL Frank…
  • p. 3 …Terauchi 2 am R. Gordon When last month Interruption R. Gordon Okay, excuse me one moment…
  • p. 4 …Gordon K. Terauchi R. Gordon F . Fujii R. Gordon K. Terauchi F . Fujii R. Gordon ? R…
  • p. 5 R. Gordon Okay, yes K. Terauchi But this one is nozzle direction (Japanese)(garbled) we couldn…
  • p. 6 …R. Gordon Well they're alot, much larger. K. Terauchi Yes, much larger • R. Gordon So…
  • p. 7 …eight miles ... R. Gordon Okay K. Terauchi And, 60 degrees left .•. R. Gordon Okay K. Terauchi…
  • p. 8 R. Gordon Digital color? K. Terauchi Yes colored, digital R. Gordon Okay, fine, yeah, that's…
  • p. 9 …when ah • • • R. Gordon K. Terauchi R. Gordon K. Terauchi R. Gordon See, it just says…
  • p. 10 …Gordon Oh yeah uh hu, okay sure F. Fujii It was like two R. Gordon Okay…
  • p. 11 …photo. R. Gordon Okay, okay F. Fujii So the (unintelligible) was dark. R. Gordon Okay, that…
  • p. 12 …this • R. Gordon Ah uh, okay F. Fujii About this big so . . . R. Gordon Okay F…
  • p. 13 …Oh yes • R. Gordon Like this . K. Terauchi Yeah, yeah, yeah R. Gordon Okay K. Terauchi…
  • p. 14 …change. R. Gordon They didn't change, huh? K. Terauchi Steady, steady. R. Gordon Okay, the…
  • p. 15 …moon light. R. Gordon Ah uh, I understand. K. Terauchi (Japanese) R. Gordon So the moon…
  • p. 16 …air. R. Gordon You got no turbulence? K. Terauchi No turbulence. R. Gordon So it's…
  • p. 17 …Fujii Gordon Fujii Gordon Fujii Gordon About 0.1 ••• Just right on the horizon, the sun…
  • p. 18 …R. Gordon Yeah K. Terauchi This one, this one, are the same. R. Gordon Same K…
  • p. 19 …R. Gordon Okay 75 miles north of Talkeetna • K. Terauchi Yeah, yeah R. Gordon • it went…
  • p. 20 …Terauchi Yeah s. Mimoto R. Gordon s. Mimoto R. Gordon s. Mimoto K. Terauchi I thought…
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K. Terauchi Yeah. • •
R. Gordon The little one huh?
K. Terauchi (Japanese)
F. Fujii That flight level right there does not leave any evidence, also
if it on the same level, it would give this aircraft a little
turbulence cause of this air.
R. Gordon You got no turbulence?
K. Terauchi No turbulence.
R. Gordon So it's just suspended there, really.
K. Terauchi (Japanese) Right
F. Fujii (unintelligible) leave the evidence •••
R. Gordon Yeah, well that's what I'm saying, it's so moving, it's either so
areodynamic that it's not causing, so you're saying when he was
right in front of you there was not turbulence and if you had
been that close to another object that large you should have got
some buffetting?
K. Terauchi Yeah
R. Gordon Okay, I understand
K. Terauchi The turbulance would assure their existance, therefore, they
positioned themselves to here from the beginning.
R. Gordon Yes
K. Terauchi Certainly, ah approaching Fort Yukon, west side, this side east
side, so ah (unintelligible)(Japanese) big mothership (Japanese),
horizon, sunset, we caught up the sunset, two - three millimeters
strip of it. Then there was the mothership. They never came to
this side. Because of the sunset (if they came to the other
side) they would be seen, their shape by us. They positioned
themselves at the darkest side, difficult place for us to see.
But see, our aircraft was in front of the sunset and visible for
any movement we make. They took the trouble to position
themselves to be in the darkest place. I think they did not want
to be seen.
F. Fujii He thinks that they don't want, of course they don't want the
ship to see it, so they go to the place where it's dark •
R. Gordon Yeah
F. Fujii and because there's a sunset over here, and about one
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