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Terauchi interview transcript, Dick Gordon, 2 Jan 1987

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This FAA record of interview documents a January 2, 1987 session in Anchorage, Alaska, in which Inspector Richard O. Gordon of FSDO-63 questioned JAL Captain Kenju Terauchi about his crew's November 17, 1986 sighting. Terauchi describes two small craft with exhaust-like lights that flew near his aircraft and a much larger mothership, and says the target appeared green on his onboard radar. He also reports VHF interference and says the objects matched his 360-degree turn and his descent.

  • p. 2 …Terauchi No, third time . R. Gordon This is the third time that ah that you've…
  • p. 3 …Terauchi Big Ship - yes and the second time ah, the, in my home I saw a…
  • p. 4 …Terauchi I think it was the first time. F . Fujii Who was the first person who…
  • p. 5 …Fujii From the forward you could see the flame and the exhaust and flame were surrounding…
  • p. 6 …This one and this one, the same logic, this point and this point are the same…
  • p. 8 …Fujii When did you pick it up, the radar? K. Terauchi Time? Time? F. Fujii Time…
  • p. 9 …Autopilot stayed on all the time. K. Terauchi Yeah • R. Gordon Okay K. Terauchi Working good…
  • p. 12 …Terauchi See this is the jumbo jet. 1.5, two times this light. R. Gordon Okay…
  • p. 13 …Gordon Yeah, let's see what would you estimate the size of the small ships to…
  • p. 18 …Gordon Yes, yes, you could probably explain that with the thing you have drawn here. Now…
  • p. 20 …See if they were stacked together at the beginning, one must have returned to the mothership…
K. Terauchi But we came this way. Full moon (unintelligible) Greenland,
after we, we cross ah Greenland we saw moon right side
(unintelligible) ••• but moon move to ah behind us so when
crossing the Canadian, Canadian, ah, FLR (unintelligible) so
maybe ah moon, ah stay near the horizon, so we couldn't use the
moon light.
R. Gordon Ah uh, I understand.
K. Terauchi (Japanese)
R. Gordon So the moon was very low?
K. Terauchi Very low, very low, okay.
R. Gordon That's good, I appreciate you bringing that up, I didn't think
about the moon, but that's good.
K. Terauchi Full moon, full moon, was very low, full moon.
R. Gordon Well that's good, I'm glad you folks did that, uh •••
K. Terauchi So ah,
R. Gordon There's one last question •••
? Yes
R. Gordon This, and it's just threw it in here, is there anything else that
I didn't ask you that you could help us sort this thing out?
K. Terauchi Ah, yes, they
R. Gordon Frank, see how that tapes doing. We still got plenty?
F. Fujii Yes, ah uh.
R. Gordon That's good, because the mike is right there that's super.
K. Terauchi See it is recoil blasting, just a little bit high here, it is
blasting jets, then if it was at the same altitude as we were, I
assume they are using an atomic energy, there will be some
radiation left on our aircraft. Also the other is, that air
turbulance be created. So they did not want to leave any
evidence of their existance. Also the reason, why they were
there (position) is that they wanted to leave no evidence. See
it is round, the air current goes this way (he is drawing a
picture), see if they were at the same altitude, they would
create air turbulance, but they never positioned when the air
turbulance would disturb us.
R. Gordon Those are the small one now?
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