“Works”60+ pages
- p. 5 …Also,
Robert "Gus" Bell contributed with his attractive art work; Richard Wolf provided
invaluable computer expertise…
- p. 14 …Mensuration Working Paper, with Drawing and Photo
xiv
- p. 19 …The ruse worked. However, too much activity
was going on for the project to remain completely…
- p. 28 …The balloon which held
it up, if that is how it worked, must have been about…
- p. 31 …These works included: The Roswell Incident
(1980) by William Moore and Charles Berlitz; "Crashed Saucers: Evidence…
- p. 34 …specialists, including experienced persons who have
continually worked in Army and Air Force records systems since…
- p. 42 …or
classified about their work; they were told only that their work dealt with
meteorological equipment…
- p. 43 …of umbrella cover story to protect our work with MOGUL." Although the Air
Force did not…
- p. 44 …who is married to a staffer who works for Congressman
Schiff. Some of these persons provided…
- p. 48 …Synopsis of Balloon Research Findings by 1st Lt James McAndrew
33. "Mensuration Working Paper," With Drawing…
- p. 51 …to the case, and
that not enough work had been done to report
any results to…
- p. 55 …The work will be performed under GAO code 701034 by staff
from our National Security Analysis…
- p. 56 …Initial work will be performed at the Department of Defense, the
Services, specialized defense agencies, and…
- p. 59 …Secur~ty and Inter.nationa1 Affairs Division (National Security
Analysis) is doinq the work. The review…
- p. 75 …Mary Kathryn Groode, and his friend, John
Kromschroeder.
• A mortician who worked for the funCr.ll…
- p. 76 …Conversations with a dozen people who had worked in the Project Blue Book office
or with…
- p. 106 …This has caused a large back log o£ important work to pile up.
The following is…
- p. 145 …civilian,
Joe Shipman, who works with Col. Hackett is re~orted to have t~ld
the…
- p. 148 …Harness advised he thought we were getting the Merger Bill
worked out pretty fine.
9:35…
- p. 164 …I had two enJisted
agents "working for me" quote end quote.
RW: Who were the enlisted…
- p. 169 …He worked for an insane asylum up in the Washington DC area. I think his
wife…
- p. 170 …He did quite a bit of work for the Air Force, as I found through research…
- p. 183 …we went to all the different records. Working for me I have a group of reservists…
- p. 191 …I need two plug ins to make this
thing work.
SC: You need two?
RW: One…
- p. 196 …the &ranting or clearanc•• to do the work.
Both mthods haw bean succesatul.J¥ u.sod…
- p. 201 …I worked on naval activity such as the thermal affects on
SONAR. Concerning actual baUoon construction…
- p. 205 …Our subsequent work with the balloons and microphones was highly classified and
we didn't know…
- p. 206 …We didn't pattern our work after the Japanese balloons.
We were very secretive of our…
- p. 213 …Charles Ziegler was working on the history of nuclear weapons detection
capability. He had some letters…
- p. 214 …Concerning the name Maj Pritchard, he may have worked for me but I don't recall…
- p. 217 …Project Mogul and some of the other work
that you and Dr. Spilhaus and others have…
- p. 221 …He and I worked together. He was in Maine, and was not really
technically involved. I…
- p. 227 …With some difficulty we got Otto
Winzen who was the entrepreneur cmd promoter, working with Get…
- p. 228 …So you're doing that work from China?
And we
over and
the entire
our
A…
- p. 230 …Schneider and others from NYU,
also Irewin, Minton, Olson, NYU men worked on balloons, north
hangar."
- p. 233 …Before you left active duty, while you were still
working with Duffy and Spilhaus, did they…
- p. 234 …While I was at Georgia Tech I began working with
a microwave, an anonymous propagation research…
- p. 236 …The reason I got into balloons is that while I was working
on this manual there…
- p. 237 …At
that point you were working at New York University under the
direction .•.
A: Spilhaus was…
- p. 240 …He worked for a Tracer lab and is just bringing out a
book on the early…
- p. 242 …Just for the record, ·Major Marcel later worked at
AFOAT-1. Do you recognize him at…
- p. 251 …It often didn't work. That was the reason why for
Operation Sandstone in April and…
- p. 253 …We just worked out of motels in Roswell.
Q: I thought I saw you had a…
- p. 258 …When we sent people to
Roswell, Hackman worked out of a motel to receive.
So the…
- p. 259 …I do know that I worked carefully with a guy named Larry
Dyvad, a pilot, who…
- p. 260 …You were just
saying hey, what's going to work best to get the data, so…
- p. 269 …Tibbetts, the radar lieutenant working for Fletcher, said
that when they got these in '44 there…
- p. 274 …In the course of the research projects you worked on, in that time frame-the postwar…
- p. 275 …You were on-site in New Mexico when Charlie Moore was doing most of his work…
- p. 276 …Did he work for you at Watson Laboratories?
A: No. He didn't work for me…
- p. 279 …Do you recall any of the contractors he may have worked with?
A: No, I don…
- p. 280 …That's where John had his office, and I was there for a time doing work…
- p. 282 …We worked in the old Sun newspaper building in downtown Baltimore.
Q: They had intelligence personnel…
- p. 283 …I know he worked with
the U.S. Geological Survey, a very, very fine organization, and…
- p. 318 …rest on the ranch on which he worked near the town
of Corona, NM. This was…
- p. 322 …In addition, Crary maintlained
a detailed journal of his work throughout his professional career to incluc…
- p. 323 …25 Balloons most suitable for this type of
work were made of polyethylene, a very thin…
- p. 325 …9 appeared to have
been launched on July 3.34 On July 8, their work completed…
- p. 330 …It was apparent from Crary's diary that he had worked very closely with Major
Pritchard…
- p. 379 …MonOay he came to town to sell worked, must have bt!en about 12 some sort…
COL TRAKOWSKI - 6/29/94 9
Q: At some point in Project MOGUL did you utilize equipment based at Roswell Army Air
Field?
A: No, we had our own aircraft based at Fort Dix, New Jersey.
Q: Did you ever have a rawinsonde receiver at Roswell?
A: Not to my memory. No. We may have, but the specifics on that, I don't recall.
Q: Can you think of any reason why Dr. Peoples would meet with one of the bomb squadron
commanders at Roswell in September of 1947?
A: Probably to arrange air drops of bombs as signal sources for testing the MOGUL sound
receivers. We had a fellow who was assigned to the electronics test squadron at Fort Dix by the name of
Duff, Eugene Duff, an ordnance expert, and he may have been involved in arranging for bombs to be
exploded in the air as sound signal sources for testing the MOGUL receivers.
Q: Did you also procure aircraft from Middletown, Pennsylvania?
A: Yes. I believe our electronic squadron was moved from Fort Dix to Middletown-to
Olmstead Air Force Base. When that was, I can't exactly pinpoint, but it was probably some time in 1947.
Gene Duff, our ordnance man, was a part of that group. I don't know whether Gene Duff stillli ves or not,
but he is a name that you might look into. Eugene Duff.
Q: Has anyone asked you to explain what happened at Roswell? In your opinion, what
happened?
A: Until these recent inquiries, I don't recall anyone asking me to explain. I don't recall it
ever coming up for me to answer in connection with the MOGUL tests. I don't recall that. You know,
things happen every day, and you treat crises from moment to moment as though they were so much
cordwood. They aren't all worthy of memory. But I don't recall it.
Q: Other than our conversation here today, has anyone ever discussed with you not talking
about MOGUL? It's essentially declassified-it is no longer a classified project-but has anyone in the
government-the Air Force, the Army, the Department of Energy, or anyone else-ever said don't discuss
this?
A: Absolutely not. No such thing.
Q: What we're trying to do is make sure we are open to the General Accounting Office and
to the American public as a whole when we publish our reports. So to all the people we've discussed this
with, we want to make absolutely certain that someone has not come to them and said, you're going to
get in the cover story. We want this to be as open as possible and get this thing resolved once and for all.
There are going to be those individuals-as you have stated, the true believers-who may not accept what
we have to say, but we just want to try to get everything out in the open.