“Works”60+ pages
- p. 5 …Also,
Robert "Gus" Bell contributed with his attractive art work; Richard Wolf provided
invaluable computer expertise…
- p. 14 …Mensuration Working Paper, with Drawing and Photo
xiv
- p. 19 …The ruse worked. However, too much activity
was going on for the project to remain completely…
- p. 28 …The balloon which held
it up, if that is how it worked, must have been about…
- p. 31 …These works included: The Roswell Incident
(1980) by William Moore and Charles Berlitz; "Crashed Saucers: Evidence…
- p. 34 …specialists, including experienced persons who have
continually worked in Army and Air Force records systems since…
- p. 42 …or
classified about their work; they were told only that their work dealt with
meteorological equipment…
- p. 43 …of umbrella cover story to protect our work with MOGUL." Although the Air
Force did not…
- p. 44 …who is married to a staffer who works for Congressman
Schiff. Some of these persons provided…
- p. 48 …Synopsis of Balloon Research Findings by 1st Lt James McAndrew
33. "Mensuration Working Paper," With Drawing…
- p. 51 …to the case, and
that not enough work had been done to report
any results to…
- p. 55 …The work will be performed under GAO code 701034 by staff
from our National Security Analysis…
- p. 56 …Initial work will be performed at the Department of Defense, the
Services, specialized defense agencies, and…
- p. 59 …Secur~ty and Inter.nationa1 Affairs Division (National Security
Analysis) is doinq the work. The review…
- p. 75 …Mary Kathryn Groode, and his friend, John
Kromschroeder.
• A mortician who worked for the funCr.ll…
- p. 76 …Conversations with a dozen people who had worked in the Project Blue Book office
or with…
- p. 106 …This has caused a large back log o£ important work to pile up.
The following is…
- p. 145 …civilian,
Joe Shipman, who works with Col. Hackett is re~orted to have t~ld
the…
- p. 148 …Harness advised he thought we were getting the Merger Bill
worked out pretty fine.
9:35…
- p. 164 …I had two enJisted
agents "working for me" quote end quote.
RW: Who were the enlisted…
- p. 169 …He worked for an insane asylum up in the Washington DC area. I think his
wife…
- p. 170 …He did quite a bit of work for the Air Force, as I found through research…
- p. 183 …we went to all the different records. Working for me I have a group of reservists…
- p. 191 …I need two plug ins to make this
thing work.
SC: You need two?
RW: One…
- p. 196 …the &ranting or clearanc•• to do the work.
Both mthods haw bean succesatul.J¥ u.sod…
- p. 201 …I worked on naval activity such as the thermal affects on
SONAR. Concerning actual baUoon construction…
- p. 205 …Our subsequent work with the balloons and microphones was highly classified and
we didn't know…
- p. 206 …We didn't pattern our work after the Japanese balloons.
We were very secretive of our…
- p. 213 …Charles Ziegler was working on the history of nuclear weapons detection
capability. He had some letters…
- p. 214 …Concerning the name Maj Pritchard, he may have worked for me but I don't recall…
- p. 217 …Project Mogul and some of the other work
that you and Dr. Spilhaus and others have…
- p. 221 …He and I worked together. He was in Maine, and was not really
technically involved. I…
- p. 227 …With some difficulty we got Otto
Winzen who was the entrepreneur cmd promoter, working with Get…
- p. 228 …So you're doing that work from China?
And we
over and
the entire
our
A…
- p. 230 …Schneider and others from NYU,
also Irewin, Minton, Olson, NYU men worked on balloons, north
hangar."
- p. 233 …Before you left active duty, while you were still
working with Duffy and Spilhaus, did they…
- p. 234 …While I was at Georgia Tech I began working with
a microwave, an anonymous propagation research…
- p. 236 …The reason I got into balloons is that while I was working
on this manual there…
- p. 237 …At
that point you were working at New York University under the
direction .•.
A: Spilhaus was…
- p. 240 …He worked for a Tracer lab and is just bringing out a
book on the early…
- p. 242 …Just for the record, ·Major Marcel later worked at
AFOAT-1. Do you recognize him at…
- p. 251 …It often didn't work. That was the reason why for
Operation Sandstone in April and…
- p. 253 …We just worked out of motels in Roswell.
Q: I thought I saw you had a…
- p. 258 …When we sent people to
Roswell, Hackman worked out of a motel to receive.
So the…
- p. 259 …I do know that I worked carefully with a guy named Larry
Dyvad, a pilot, who…
- p. 260 …You were just
saying hey, what's going to work best to get the data, so…
- p. 269 …Tibbetts, the radar lieutenant working for Fletcher, said
that when they got these in '44 there…
- p. 274 …In the course of the research projects you worked on, in that time frame-the postwar…
- p. 275 …You were on-site in New Mexico when Charlie Moore was doing most of his work…
- p. 276 …Did he work for you at Watson Laboratories?
A: No. He didn't work for me…
- p. 279 …Do you recall any of the contractors he may have worked with?
A: No, I don…
- p. 280 …That's where John had his office, and I was there for a time doing work…
- p. 282 …We worked in the old Sun newspaper building in downtown Baltimore.
Q: They had intelligence personnel…
- p. 283 …I know he worked with
the U.S. Geological Survey, a very, very fine organization, and…
- p. 318 …rest on the ranch on which he worked near the town
of Corona, NM. This was…
- p. 322 …In addition, Crary maintlained
a detailed journal of his work throughout his professional career to incluc…
- p. 323 …25 Balloons most suitable for this type of
work were made of polyethylene, a very thin…
- p. 325 …9 appeared to have
been launched on July 3.34 On July 8, their work completed…
- p. 330 …It was apparent from Crary's diary that he had worked very closely with Major
Pritchard…
- p. 379 …MonOay he came to town to sell worked, must have bt!en about 12 some sort…
COL TRAKOWSKI - 6/29/94 7
were out of channel, so to speak. It was on such an occasion that Ed Istvan acted to line up contractors
for these targets. He got into a considerable amount of, shall we say, controversy with the Signal Corps
because he was out of line.
Q: Do you recall any of the contractors he may have worked with?
A: No, I don't remember them by name. They were not within my purview at the time. As
I have told others, including Mr. Pflock, we had an outstanding expeditor on our staff, on Colonel Duffy's
staff, by the name of John E. Peterson. Jack Peterson was a major at the time. He was a prewar graduate
of Harvard Business School, and he knew business operations inside and out. Again, he was an extremely
energetic fellow. He was very, very valuable and successful at breaking loose stuck contracts and stuck
production and things that weren't moving as fast as they should. During the war that was very important.
Jack monitored the procurement of these radar targets, and I believe Ed Istvan either worked for
or alongside Jack Peterson, and I remember when they finally ... Now this was all not under my purview,
but I worked in the same building with them, and I knew Jack very well, he was a very good friend and
we talked and joked with each other a lot. I remember so clearly when the contractor for these targets was
selected, and Jack thought it was the biggest joke in the world that they had to go to a toy manufacturer
to make these radar targets. Then it was even a bigger joke when it turned out that because of wartime
scarcities of materials, the tape that they used to assemble these targets, the reflecting material on the balsa
frames, was some kind of a pinkish purple tape with a heart and flower design on it. This was, again, a
big flap.
Q: Did you ever see any of those?
A: Yeah, I saw some of them. Not in connection with my work, but they were around the
office. The prototypes were around the office, and the first production runs were there.
Q: So you would say it's a limited number of a few runs maybe.
A: I have no idea how many hundreds were made, or even thousands. But like everything
else that goes into production, the contractors have a limited production to begin with until they work out
the bugs, and then they go full blower in the high production.
Q: Do you remember a rough span of times when you saw these: when you saw the first one,
and when you saw the last?
A: It was probably 1944 or 1945. It was probably late in 1944 when the first ones were
produced.
Q: Where did you see those? What part of the country?
A: Right there at Signal Corps. We were all working at that time, and John Peterson had his
offices at the Toms River Signal Laboratory, which was actually located on the jurisdictional lines between
Sea Girt and Springlake, New Jersey. It was an old night club that the Signal Corps had rented for the
purposes of doing remote experimentation.