PROFESSOR MOORE - 6/8/94 47
flying saucers. I did get a letter back from Ro to the response
that he had not been, as far as she knew, he had not been
involved in any classified identification of something. That had
occurred to me that things could have gone on that I had no need
to know. I tried to extract that.
Q: So you had no recollection or strong recollection of
him, when you got back to New Jersey, discussing it. It caused a
lot of fuss.
A: I'm really surprised at this newspaper story because
implicit in this is the idea that someone provided a good cover
for us, and yet crary's diary doesn't show that he was involved
in it, and I wasn't aware that my contact, Oyvad, was privy
enough to our operations to have carried this out. So this is a
bit of a mystery to me.
Q: What would you speculate, how would someone, just
circumstances, coincidences, or intentional?
A: It's very clear that it was intentional, and there was
a better security operation going on than I appreciated at the
time. That would be my assessment.
Q: so you believe that someone was privy to your
activities .••
A: Trakowski was there. I had forgotten, but he reminded
me that he had gone on the C-54 to pick up the helium at
Amarillo. I asked Trakowski had he been involved in
manufacturing a cover story. He kept saying how important Mogul
was, how highly classified it was, and how he was really wheeling
and dealing. He apparently went down to Fort Bliss, to the
commanding general there -- I guess he was a captain at the time
-- and had no trouble talking the general into releasing
something like maybe several hundred 500 pound bombs for this.
At the same time, Trakowski has no memory of a coverup.
Q: He didn't have participation.
A: Whether he was on that C-54 that had 23 people on it or
not, I don't know. Crary's list of the people left, there was
only one military type, a Lieutenant Thompson, in what you have
here.
Q: Who did you report to?
A: Peoples.
Q: Then getting back to talking about quarters and things
like that, did you have to go introduce yourself to the
commanding officer at the base, or •••