“The Times”60+ pages
- p. 5 ACKNOWLEDGMENTS
This report and publication would not have been possible without the expert assistance
and outstanding…
- p. 6 balloon files; Neal Stark and Jack Griffin, of the Geophysical Directorate's Aerospace
Engineering Group, whose…
- p. 17 …the Roswell Incident,
this event has become the most celebrated UFO encounter of all time and…
- p. 19 …such
amusing events as the one reported by the New York Times in which a secret…
- p. 21 …Nevertheless, the attached report is a good faith effort and the first time
any agency of…
- p. 25 …until the 1978-1980 time frame. Prior to that, the incident was dismissed
because the AAF…
- p. 27 …times, most research-
ers will not dispute that anything in UFO history can compare with the…
- p. 28 …the "Roswell Incident" was not considered one of these
1947 events until the 1978-1980 time…
- p. 29 …weather balloons on the ranch, but _that what he found this time did
not in any…
- p. 30 …the persons interviewed were, in fact, stationed at, or lived
near Roswell during the time in…
- p. 31 …Collectively,
the above represent the "pro" UFO writers who allege that the government is
engaged in…
- p. 34 …at Roswell Army Air Field during the period of time in
question. It is anticipated that…
- p. 35 …Since much of this testing done at nearby White Sands
was secret at the time, it…
- p. 36 …the 509th
Bomb Group was the only military unit in the world at the time that…
- p. 37 …If such a system had been in effect at the time, it would
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- p. 38 …Marcel, MD (son of the late Major Jesse Marcel; 11 years old at the time
of…
- p. 39 …Brazel; 14 years old at the time of the
incident). Affidavit dated September 22, 1993. " ... The…
- p. 40 …He thought at the time, and continued to do so today, that what he found was…
- p. 42 …of the project, but they did not know of the project
nickname at the time. They…
- p. 43 …Additionally, a copy of a professional journal maintained at the time by A.P.
Crary, provided…
- p. 45 …first generation) prints of the
photographs taken at the time by the Fort Worth Star-Telegram…
- p. 46 …Although that project was Top Secret at the time, there was
also no specific indication found…
- p. 47 …good faith but in the
"fog of time," misinterpreted past events. The review of Air Force…
- p. 56 …time
periods (1947 to present) to determine whether proper procedures
were followed.
{3) For the incidents…
- p. 73 …Why have I decided to write at this time This is the 45th
year anniversary of…
- p. 77 …Also, the Blue Book records and the Condon report do not mention the
Roswell incident, though…
- p. 81 …of time, but in some cases, it is advantageous to
do while in others the wreckage…
- p. 82 …Please note that mishaps involving unmanned air vehicles (which during the
1940s included remotely piloted aircraft…
- p. 94 …for the 1947 time frame in
their holdinqs. They noted that the histories for the 509th…
- p. 99 …the crash of a weather balloon near the base
in the June/July 1947 time frame…
- p. 113 …held in the Southwest U.S. concerning subject (atch 2).
At that time, District 17, Kirtland…
- p. 143 …that time make a deciaicn as to approval of
KeMey's orgar.izatian and howr extensive…
- p. 149 …Amerson tlla t he
was definitely againSt his l.eating Washingtan at the present
time and…
- p. 159 …What Marcel did with this material at the time was unknown to me.
although I know…
- p. 163 …the Counter
Intelligence Corps (CIC) (at that time ofthe US Army) in 1947?
SC: Yes ... the…
- p. 164 …Well, there again I couldn't swear to the dates, but in that time, which must…
- p. 165 …Were you familiar with weather balloons at the time?
SC: I had seen them. I had…
- p. 166 …t think at that time we might not even
been taking the paper. We heard no…
- p. 167 …Do you remember
at the time the article or the photo of General Ramey and Marcel…
- p. 168 …incident occurred until the time
he left? Or, anywhere up until the time he died?
SW…
- p. 169 …He use to be a mechanic at
one time, Rick did, in the Air Force; the…
- p. 170 …I assume .. .! assume when I read this thing
for the first time that they sent me…
- p. 172 …Which at one time was on the Plains of San Augustin and now it has apparently…
- p. 175 …No, .. .I didn't spend any extended
time down there at the site.
RW: O.K…
- p. 176 …In the mean
time, the CIC man would head back to the crash sit with some…
- p. 177 …at that time, just like in OSI, you did not wear uniforms for the most part…
- p. 178 …derivatives of the
V-2, that we were playing with at that time). Schmitt asked if…
- p. 179 …He said the ranks ofCIC agents were all
classified at the time" (I know that's…
- p. 181 …royalties for a long time.
RW: Oh, this wu out of the Global Reliance. I don…
- p. 183 …But at the time a portion of it was Top Secret. It
bas since then be…
- p. 184 …At the time I thought this was sort of stupid. They
had a list back at…
- p. 185 …When did all of this first surface, in your life? After you picked up the original…
- p. 187 …Apparently at that time, as near u we can tell, one of the baBoon manufactures did…
- p. 188 …Haut? The public affairs guy at the time?
SC: Just vaguely. What was he, base information…
- p. 191 …period of time and all of a sudden they change the period of time.
MC: Well…
- p. 201 …At one time I was sent by the US government to assist the South Africa meterological…
- p. 202 …The radar reflectors were sheets of
reflective material and they changed over time but I don…
- p. 205 …GeNII was the Project Engineer for the NYU balloon project during the 1947 time frame. I…
- p. 206 …of the 1883 Krakatoa explosion where the
pressure waves circled the earth seven times. Dr Cracy…
- p. 217 …One of the individuals,
Sheridan Cavitt, who at that time was a Counter-Intelligence
Corps officer…
SC. Yeah. that is possible. I didn't know about that particular thing. I just knew weather
balloons went up and measured. This was my first impression. I didn't know anything else, so
0. K.. that's it, forget it. The thing that disturbed me is why they cannot shoot down this story
about the little bodies and so forth that Were allegedly taken to Wright-Pat or some place.
RW: Wright-Pat, right.
SC: And put in a sealed (unintelligible) or so forth. And the only thing, Rick might have gotten
confused about something. You mentioned crashes. We had one there at Roswell. They
practiced this air to air refueling, which was just. I think, getting into real high-tech stuff as far as
I knew.
RW: B-29's?
SC: Yeah. And they were refueling them. We had one rather, rather hell! Where the plane that
was being refueled for some reason or other pitched up when they were either getting to attach
the cord, or the other one came down, which doesn't sound logical, I think it's more apt to have
went up. One or both of those planes crashed. I forget what direction it was up from Roswell,
but I went out to that crash at the request of Marcel; maybe Blanchard, and I probably took
Rickett with me. We had bodies all over the place, and it was a sad thing. We recovered some
fingers, of course, there was one hell of a big fire after it happened. I collected a bunch of hands,
fingers and so forth, trying to identifY them. At the time I thought this was sort of stupid. They
had a list back at the Operation Office. Other than identifying body parts so that some guy's wife
would know that she had part of her, used to~ former husband. And I don't remember where
we sent those things for identification. I remember going into the office after that trying to get
prints otfofthese old shriveled up fingers and so forth. What good it would do, I don't know. I
didn't know then, but I was wonder if maybe Rick got confused that maybe this was some of the
bodies. I doubt it, but it is just a possibility. But I don't know why they can't trace down those
bodies.
RW: Well, that is the ultimate part of the quote "cover up" that we're involved in. You and I
would probably think as OSI agents if you recovered a body that is unusual, that would generate a
whole bunch of paperwork. We are a paperwork society. I mean, it may be classified with a
bazillion stamps on it, but it would generate a lot of study and things. And we have not been able
to locate one piece of anything to indicate that is so.
SC: It boggles my mind that we would not be able to find anything. The Air Force having the .. .I
mean we were close knit and it seemed that there had to be a trail and pick up and eventually end
there in that grip, or whatever they put these bodies in.
RW: But did you ever hear of any talk of that type of stuff when you were at Roswell?
SC: Down there. No.