personal involvement even though other reliable sources gave him a central role. That kind of
sums up everything in ...
SC: No. No. From the very start, when these clowns started hounding me, Randle and Schmitt,
I told they accused me of covering up and having signed a security...
RW: Berlitz and Moore?
MC: Now, you see, he was here at the house. I've heard numerous deaJs on the radio when rm
listening at night and all this, all of this, has been...
SC: I told these guys when they first talked to me, I said: "I have taken no security oath. rm
under no obligation to not tell you anything, because, u far u I wu concerned, it wasn't anything
other than a weather balloon.• And, I said: "I want you to quit inferring that I am staying silent
under an oath of security." And, finally, I think about two years, later Randle told me: "Hey, we
believe you." It wu getting ridiculous. I wu getting so sick and tired ofthis garbage.
RW: Yeah. I sensed a little of reluctance when I first calJed up and ... "like, Oh no, here we go
again" type of thing.
SC: I did, really.
MC: He gets so many phone calls. I usually answer the phone and say: "Who's calling please?"
And then, I don't know whether... come and write a book...
SC: You've hear ofPflock?
RW: I know who he is, yeah.
SC: He's our chief debunker. I lean toward him.
MC: Rich, have you got, read, Randle and Schmitt's latest book?
RW: I've not. I've tried to find it and I haven't been able to find it.
MC: It just came out in April.
SC: They haven't sent me a copy yet. I think they are mad at me.
MC: Didn't they teD us tbat they found some new information and it wasn't at the spot that ...
SC: Right. Right.
RW: Yeah. As I understand it, the new infonnation (and this may not be quite right, since I
haven't read it, this is hearsay) is that there wu this crash. .. what they call the crash site,