“The Times”60+ pages
- p. 5 ACKNOWLEDGMENTS
This report and publication would not have been possible without the expert assistance
and outstanding…
- p. 6 balloon files; Neal Stark and Jack Griffin, of the Geophysical Directorate's Aerospace
Engineering Group, whose…
- p. 17 …the Roswell Incident,
this event has become the most celebrated UFO encounter of all time and…
- p. 19 …such
amusing events as the one reported by the New York Times in which a secret…
- p. 21 …Nevertheless, the attached report is a good faith effort and the first time
any agency of…
- p. 25 …until the 1978-1980 time frame. Prior to that, the incident was dismissed
because the AAF…
- p. 27 …times, most research-
ers will not dispute that anything in UFO history can compare with the…
- p. 28 …the "Roswell Incident" was not considered one of these
1947 events until the 1978-1980 time…
- p. 29 …weather balloons on the ranch, but _that what he found this time did
not in any…
- p. 30 …the persons interviewed were, in fact, stationed at, or lived
near Roswell during the time in…
- p. 31 …Collectively,
the above represent the "pro" UFO writers who allege that the government is
engaged in…
- p. 34 …at Roswell Army Air Field during the period of time in
question. It is anticipated that…
- p. 35 …Since much of this testing done at nearby White Sands
was secret at the time, it…
- p. 36 …the 509th
Bomb Group was the only military unit in the world at the time that…
- p. 37 …If such a system had been in effect at the time, it would
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- p. 38 …Marcel, MD (son of the late Major Jesse Marcel; 11 years old at the time
of…
- p. 39 …Brazel; 14 years old at the time of the
incident). Affidavit dated September 22, 1993. " ... The…
- p. 40 …He thought at the time, and continued to do so today, that what he found was…
- p. 42 …of the project, but they did not know of the project
nickname at the time. They…
- p. 43 …Additionally, a copy of a professional journal maintained at the time by A.P.
Crary, provided…
- p. 45 …first generation) prints of the
photographs taken at the time by the Fort Worth Star-Telegram…
- p. 46 …Although that project was Top Secret at the time, there was
also no specific indication found…
- p. 47 …good faith but in the
"fog of time," misinterpreted past events. The review of Air Force…
- p. 56 …time
periods (1947 to present) to determine whether proper procedures
were followed.
{3) For the incidents…
- p. 73 …Why have I decided to write at this time This is the 45th
year anniversary of…
- p. 77 …Also, the Blue Book records and the Condon report do not mention the
Roswell incident, though…
- p. 81 …of time, but in some cases, it is advantageous to
do while in others the wreckage…
- p. 82 …Please note that mishaps involving unmanned air vehicles (which during the
1940s included remotely piloted aircraft…
- p. 94 …for the 1947 time frame in
their holdinqs. They noted that the histories for the 509th…
- p. 99 …the crash of a weather balloon near the base
in the June/July 1947 time frame…
- p. 113 …held in the Southwest U.S. concerning subject (atch 2).
At that time, District 17, Kirtland…
- p. 143 …that time make a deciaicn as to approval of
KeMey's orgar.izatian and howr extensive…
- p. 149 …Amerson tlla t he
was definitely againSt his l.eating Washingtan at the present
time and…
- p. 159 …What Marcel did with this material at the time was unknown to me.
although I know…
- p. 163 …the Counter
Intelligence Corps (CIC) (at that time ofthe US Army) in 1947?
SC: Yes ... the…
- p. 164 …Well, there again I couldn't swear to the dates, but in that time, which must…
- p. 165 …Were you familiar with weather balloons at the time?
SC: I had seen them. I had…
- p. 166 …t think at that time we might not even
been taking the paper. We heard no…
- p. 167 …Do you remember
at the time the article or the photo of General Ramey and Marcel…
- p. 168 …incident occurred until the time
he left? Or, anywhere up until the time he died?
SW…
- p. 169 …He use to be a mechanic at
one time, Rick did, in the Air Force; the…
- p. 170 …I assume .. .! assume when I read this thing
for the first time that they sent me…
- p. 172 …Which at one time was on the Plains of San Augustin and now it has apparently…
- p. 175 …No, .. .I didn't spend any extended
time down there at the site.
RW: O.K…
- p. 176 …In the mean
time, the CIC man would head back to the crash sit with some…
- p. 177 …at that time, just like in OSI, you did not wear uniforms for the most part…
- p. 178 …derivatives of the
V-2, that we were playing with at that time). Schmitt asked if…
- p. 179 …He said the ranks ofCIC agents were all
classified at the time" (I know that's…
- p. 181 …royalties for a long time.
RW: Oh, this wu out of the Global Reliance. I don…
- p. 183 …But at the time a portion of it was Top Secret. It
bas since then be…
- p. 184 …At the time I thought this was sort of stupid. They
had a list back at…
- p. 185 …When did all of this first surface, in your life? After you picked up the original…
- p. 187 …Apparently at that time, as near u we can tell, one of the baBoon manufactures did…
- p. 188 …Haut? The public affairs guy at the time?
SC: Just vaguely. What was he, base information…
- p. 191 …period of time and all of a sudden they change the period of time.
MC: Well…
- p. 201 …At one time I was sent by the US government to assist the South Africa meterological…
- p. 202 …The radar reflectors were sheets of
reflective material and they changed over time but I don…
- p. 205 …GeNII was the Project Engineer for the NYU balloon project during the 1947 time frame. I…
- p. 206 …of the 1883 Krakatoa explosion where the
pressure waves circled the earth seven times. Dr Cracy…
- p. 217 …One of the individuals,
Sheridan Cavitt, who at that time was a Counter-Intelligence
Corps officer…
SC: Yeah, I think they would have asked me, "Cav, what did you see" ... right.
RW: Did Rickett ever talk to you about this again?
SC: No .. .I don't think so. I don't think so. Right about that time just before OSI was formed and
we all were absorbed into OSI. I think he went on a special undercover job up to ... maybe
somewhere to an Air Force Base up here in Washington.
MC: Fort Lewis, I think he ...
SC: Was it Lewis or McChord? I don't remember. Anyway, he went on to an undercover
assignment, and that's what I said about CIC doing some crazy things. They didn't even tell me. I
was his boss locally and they didn't even tell me that he had gone up. He use to be a mechanic at
one time, Rick did, in the Air Force; the Air Corps. I think they wanted to ... they were having
some trouble with their planes being what they thought were sabotaged and they asked him to go
up there and try out the machine... like an airplane mechanic, which he could do pretty good.
Outside ofthat, I don't know of anything that Rick did.
RW: One ofthe things that was mentioned in this book... and I don't know how much you read it,
is that Rickett some time later that Fall apparently went with a scientist by the name of Doctor
LaPaz, and he accompanied him and they went around to various places. Dr. LaPaz was a weD
known person...
SC: I knew of him. I never met LaPaz personally, but I knew what he was.
RW: Did Rickett go with him that you recall; accompany him around?
SC: He could have, but it certainly didn't stick to my mind. It wouldn't be for any extended time
I don't think, because we needed him around the office.
MC: The Ricketts were friends of ours too; and his wife and I. I don't remember Mack ever
saying anything.
SC: Mack was his wife.
MC: ... that he was gone for a long time.
SC: He could have, but Rickett would go off the deep end eve:ry once in a while. He was a
fantastic story teller. He worked for an insane asylum up in the Washington DC area. I think his
wife worked there, also. He would sit around and tell some of the most hilarious, ridiculous
stories about things that happened in this nut house, so to speak.
RW: Was that St. Elizabeth's? That's the big government mental institution.