“Works”60+ pages
- p. 5 …Also,
Robert "Gus" Bell contributed with his attractive art work; Richard Wolf provided
invaluable computer expertise…
- p. 14 …Mensuration Working Paper, with Drawing and Photo
xiv
- p. 19 …The ruse worked. However, too much activity
was going on for the project to remain completely…
- p. 28 …The balloon which held
it up, if that is how it worked, must have been about…
- p. 31 …These works included: The Roswell Incident
(1980) by William Moore and Charles Berlitz; "Crashed Saucers: Evidence…
- p. 34 …specialists, including experienced persons who have
continually worked in Army and Air Force records systems since…
- p. 42 …or
classified about their work; they were told only that their work dealt with
meteorological equipment…
- p. 43 …of umbrella cover story to protect our work with MOGUL." Although the Air
Force did not…
- p. 44 …who is married to a staffer who works for Congressman
Schiff. Some of these persons provided…
- p. 48 …Synopsis of Balloon Research Findings by 1st Lt James McAndrew
33. "Mensuration Working Paper," With Drawing…
- p. 51 …to the case, and
that not enough work had been done to report
any results to…
- p. 55 …The work will be performed under GAO code 701034 by staff
from our National Security Analysis…
- p. 56 …Initial work will be performed at the Department of Defense, the
Services, specialized defense agencies, and…
- p. 59 …Secur~ty and Inter.nationa1 Affairs Division (National Security
Analysis) is doinq the work. The review…
- p. 75 …Mary Kathryn Groode, and his friend, John
Kromschroeder.
• A mortician who worked for the funCr.ll…
- p. 76 …Conversations with a dozen people who had worked in the Project Blue Book office
or with…
- p. 106 …This has caused a large back log o£ important work to pile up.
The following is…
- p. 145 …civilian,
Joe Shipman, who works with Col. Hackett is re~orted to have t~ld
the…
- p. 148 …Harness advised he thought we were getting the Merger Bill
worked out pretty fine.
9:35…
- p. 164 …I had two enJisted
agents "working for me" quote end quote.
RW: Who were the enlisted…
- p. 169 …He worked for an insane asylum up in the Washington DC area. I think his
wife…
- p. 170 …He did quite a bit of work for the Air Force, as I found through research…
- p. 183 …we went to all the different records. Working for me I have a group of reservists…
- p. 191 …I need two plug ins to make this
thing work.
SC: You need two?
RW: One…
- p. 196 …the &ranting or clearanc•• to do the work.
Both mthods haw bean succesatul.J¥ u.sod…
- p. 201 …I worked on naval activity such as the thermal affects on
SONAR. Concerning actual baUoon construction…
- p. 205 …Our subsequent work with the balloons and microphones was highly classified and
we didn't know…
- p. 206 …We didn't pattern our work after the Japanese balloons.
We were very secretive of our…
- p. 213 …Charles Ziegler was working on the history of nuclear weapons detection
capability. He had some letters…
- p. 214 …Concerning the name Maj Pritchard, he may have worked for me but I don't recall…
- p. 217 …Project Mogul and some of the other work
that you and Dr. Spilhaus and others have…
- p. 221 …He and I worked together. He was in Maine, and was not really
technically involved. I…
- p. 227 …With some difficulty we got Otto
Winzen who was the entrepreneur cmd promoter, working with Get…
- p. 228 …So you're doing that work from China?
And we
over and
the entire
our
A…
- p. 230 …Schneider and others from NYU,
also Irewin, Minton, Olson, NYU men worked on balloons, north
hangar."
- p. 233 …Before you left active duty, while you were still
working with Duffy and Spilhaus, did they…
- p. 234 …While I was at Georgia Tech I began working with
a microwave, an anonymous propagation research…
- p. 236 …The reason I got into balloons is that while I was working
on this manual there…
- p. 237 …At
that point you were working at New York University under the
direction .•.
A: Spilhaus was…
- p. 240 …He worked for a Tracer lab and is just bringing out a
book on the early…
- p. 242 …Just for the record, ·Major Marcel later worked at
AFOAT-1. Do you recognize him at…
- p. 251 …It often didn't work. That was the reason why for
Operation Sandstone in April and…
- p. 253 …We just worked out of motels in Roswell.
Q: I thought I saw you had a…
- p. 258 …When we sent people to
Roswell, Hackman worked out of a motel to receive.
So the…
- p. 259 …I do know that I worked carefully with a guy named Larry
Dyvad, a pilot, who…
- p. 260 …You were just
saying hey, what's going to work best to get the data, so…
- p. 269 …Tibbetts, the radar lieutenant working for Fletcher, said
that when they got these in '44 there…
- p. 274 …In the course of the research projects you worked on, in that time frame-the postwar…
- p. 275 …You were on-site in New Mexico when Charlie Moore was doing most of his work…
- p. 276 …Did he work for you at Watson Laboratories?
A: No. He didn't work for me…
- p. 279 …Do you recall any of the contractors he may have worked with?
A: No, I don…
- p. 280 …That's where John had his office, and I was there for a time doing work…
- p. 282 …We worked in the old Sun newspaper building in downtown Baltimore.
Q: They had intelligence personnel…
- p. 283 …I know he worked with
the U.S. Geological Survey, a very, very fine organization, and…
- p. 318 …rest on the ranch on which he worked near the town
of Corona, NM. This was…
- p. 322 …In addition, Crary maintlained
a detailed journal of his work throughout his professional career to incluc…
- p. 323 …25 Balloons most suitable for this type of
work were made of polyethylene, a very thin…
- p. 325 …9 appeared to have
been launched on July 3.34 On July 8, their work completed…
- p. 330 …It was apparent from Crary's diary that he had worked very closely with Major
Pritchard…
- p. 379 …MonOay he came to town to sell worked, must have bt!en about 12 some sort…
RW: After you picked that up and you turned it over to Marcel, did you ever hear anything more
about this? Did people from Washington come and talk to you about it? Did you have to swear
any security oaths or debriefing statements?
SC: I don't remember anybody from Washington coming there. It's possible that somebody came
over to talk to Marcel that I didn't even know about. To my knowledge, no. Certainly nobody
from Washington. I would have, I think, remembered that. Someone from the headshed coming
down and talking to me. Certainly, I would have. And I was not sworn into any secrecy ever
about any of this stuff.
RW: So, as far as you are concerned, none of this was ever classified? There was no attempt to,
I use the word, "cover up" this information or to classify it?
SC: Well let's put it this way: as far as I knew, I never heard anyone say, "Don't talk about this
and its hot stuff." I think Marcel, would ... rm sure he would have told me something.
RW: Would he have? Did he ever say anything to you after this incident occurred until the time
he left? Or, anywhere up until the time he died?
SW: Oh, Rich, dealing with him there in the office or the next office to him so he probably said
something about it. That he had taken it down to Ramey or something. But, nothing that would,
you know, stick in my mind of importance. Do you understand what I mean? If he had said
something like, "I took it to 8th Air Force Headquarters, General Ramey was excited; they were
going to take it to Wright-Pat" (or wherever they allegedly took it). Oh, rm sure I would have
remembered that.
RW: It had been alleged in a number ofbooks, including the one by Randle and Schmitt, that
there were a number of airplane flights back and forth of CS4's and B29's going into Wright-Pat
and Kirtland, or to Fort Worth. Back and forth, loaded up, with very tight security, hauling this
wreckage. Do you recall any of that going on?
SC: None...Nothing.
RW: And then its indicated (and not directly quoting ) Some counterintelligence people &om
Washington or Andrews (as they said in the book) had come out there and apparently done
photographs or crime scene searches or whatever. There was nobody else out there from CIC or
Counter Intelligence Corps that you knew of? Other than Rickett?
SC: Not to my knowledge. Not to my knowledge. I made a booboo. I said it was 700 C at
Bolling. I believe now that you mentioned Andrews, it could have been Andrews. But no nobody
came out. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't talk to me. CIC did some crazy things in those
days, shuttling some people around.
RW: But it would have been likely, bad you been involved in recovering something kind of
special that they would have talked to you?