RW: After you picked that up and you turned it over to Marcel, did you ever hear anything more
about this? Did people from Washington come and talk to you about it? Did you have to swear
any security oaths or debriefing statements?
SC: I don't remember anybody from Washington coming there. It's possible that somebody came
over to talk to Marcel that I didn't even know about. To my knowledge, no. Certainly nobody
from Washington. I would have, I think, remembered that. Someone from the headshed coming
down and talking to me. Certainly, I would have. And I was not sworn into any secrecy ever
about any of this stuff.
RW: So, as far as you are concerned, none of this was ever classified? There was no attempt to,
I use the word, "cover up" this information or to classify it?
SC: Well let's put it this way: as far as I knew, I never heard anyone say, "Don't talk about this
and its hot stuff." I think Marcel, would ... rm sure he would have told me something.
RW: Would he have? Did he ever say anything to you after this incident occurred until the time
he left? Or, anywhere up until the time he died?
SW: Oh, Rich, dealing with him there in the office or the next office to him so he probably said
something about it. That he had taken it down to Ramey or something. But, nothing that would,
you know, stick in my mind of importance. Do you understand what I mean? If he had said
something like, "I took it to 8th Air Force Headquarters, General Ramey was excited; they were
going to take it to Wright-Pat" (or wherever they allegedly took it). Oh, rm sure I would have
remembered that.
RW: It had been alleged in a number ofbooks, including the one by Randle and Schmitt, that
there were a number of airplane flights back and forth of CS4's and B29's going into Wright-Pat
and Kirtland, or to Fort Worth. Back and forth, loaded up, with very tight security, hauling this
wreckage. Do you recall any of that going on?
SC: None...Nothing.
RW: And then its indicated (and not directly quoting ) Some counterintelligence people &om
Washington or Andrews (as they said in the book) had come out there and apparently done
photographs or crime scene searches or whatever. There was nobody else out there from CIC or
Counter Intelligence Corps that you knew of? Other than Rickett?
SC: Not to my knowledge. Not to my knowledge. I made a booboo. I said it was 700 C at
Bolling. I believe now that you mentioned Andrews, it could have been Andrews. But no nobody
came out. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't talk to me. CIC did some crazy things in those
days, shuttling some people around.
RW: But it would have been likely, bad you been involved in recovering something kind of
special that they would have talked to you?