“The Times”60+ pages
- p. 5 ACKNOWLEDGMENTS
This report and publication would not have been possible without the expert assistance
and outstanding…
- p. 6 balloon files; Neal Stark and Jack Griffin, of the Geophysical Directorate's Aerospace
Engineering Group, whose…
- p. 17 …the Roswell Incident,
this event has become the most celebrated UFO encounter of all time and…
- p. 19 …such
amusing events as the one reported by the New York Times in which a secret…
- p. 21 …Nevertheless, the attached report is a good faith effort and the first time
any agency of…
- p. 25 …until the 1978-1980 time frame. Prior to that, the incident was dismissed
because the AAF…
- p. 27 …times, most research-
ers will not dispute that anything in UFO history can compare with the…
- p. 28 …the "Roswell Incident" was not considered one of these
1947 events until the 1978-1980 time…
- p. 29 …weather balloons on the ranch, but _that what he found this time did
not in any…
- p. 30 …the persons interviewed were, in fact, stationed at, or lived
near Roswell during the time in…
- p. 31 …Collectively,
the above represent the "pro" UFO writers who allege that the government is
engaged in…
- p. 34 …at Roswell Army Air Field during the period of time in
question. It is anticipated that…
- p. 35 …Since much of this testing done at nearby White Sands
was secret at the time, it…
- p. 36 …the 509th
Bomb Group was the only military unit in the world at the time that…
- p. 37 …If such a system had been in effect at the time, it would
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- p. 38 …Marcel, MD (son of the late Major Jesse Marcel; 11 years old at the time
of…
- p. 39 …Brazel; 14 years old at the time of the
incident). Affidavit dated September 22, 1993. " ... The…
- p. 40 …He thought at the time, and continued to do so today, that what he found was…
- p. 42 …of the project, but they did not know of the project
nickname at the time. They…
- p. 43 …Additionally, a copy of a professional journal maintained at the time by A.P.
Crary, provided…
- p. 45 …first generation) prints of the
photographs taken at the time by the Fort Worth Star-Telegram…
- p. 46 …Although that project was Top Secret at the time, there was
also no specific indication found…
- p. 47 …good faith but in the
"fog of time," misinterpreted past events. The review of Air Force…
- p. 56 …time
periods (1947 to present) to determine whether proper procedures
were followed.
{3) For the incidents…
- p. 73 …Why have I decided to write at this time This is the 45th
year anniversary of…
- p. 77 …Also, the Blue Book records and the Condon report do not mention the
Roswell incident, though…
- p. 81 …of time, but in some cases, it is advantageous to
do while in others the wreckage…
- p. 82 …Please note that mishaps involving unmanned air vehicles (which during the
1940s included remotely piloted aircraft…
- p. 94 …for the 1947 time frame in
their holdinqs. They noted that the histories for the 509th…
- p. 99 …the crash of a weather balloon near the base
in the June/July 1947 time frame…
- p. 113 …held in the Southwest U.S. concerning subject (atch 2).
At that time, District 17, Kirtland…
- p. 143 …that time make a deciaicn as to approval of
KeMey's orgar.izatian and howr extensive…
- p. 149 …Amerson tlla t he
was definitely againSt his l.eating Washingtan at the present
time and…
- p. 159 …What Marcel did with this material at the time was unknown to me.
although I know…
- p. 163 …the Counter
Intelligence Corps (CIC) (at that time ofthe US Army) in 1947?
SC: Yes ... the…
- p. 164 …Well, there again I couldn't swear to the dates, but in that time, which must…
- p. 165 …Were you familiar with weather balloons at the time?
SC: I had seen them. I had…
- p. 166 …t think at that time we might not even
been taking the paper. We heard no…
- p. 167 …Do you remember
at the time the article or the photo of General Ramey and Marcel…
- p. 168 …incident occurred until the time
he left? Or, anywhere up until the time he died?
SW…
- p. 169 …He use to be a mechanic at
one time, Rick did, in the Air Force; the…
- p. 170 …I assume .. .! assume when I read this thing
for the first time that they sent me…
- p. 172 …Which at one time was on the Plains of San Augustin and now it has apparently…
- p. 175 …No, .. .I didn't spend any extended
time down there at the site.
RW: O.K…
- p. 176 …In the mean
time, the CIC man would head back to the crash sit with some…
- p. 177 …at that time, just like in OSI, you did not wear uniforms for the most part…
- p. 178 …derivatives of the
V-2, that we were playing with at that time). Schmitt asked if…
- p. 179 …He said the ranks ofCIC agents were all
classified at the time" (I know that's…
- p. 181 …royalties for a long time.
RW: Oh, this wu out of the Global Reliance. I don…
- p. 183 …But at the time a portion of it was Top Secret. It
bas since then be…
- p. 184 …At the time I thought this was sort of stupid. They
had a list back at…
- p. 185 …When did all of this first surface, in your life? After you picked up the original…
- p. 187 …Apparently at that time, as near u we can tell, one of the baBoon manufactures did…
- p. 188 …Haut? The public affairs guy at the time?
SC: Just vaguely. What was he, base information…
- p. 191 …period of time and all of a sudden they change the period of time.
MC: Well…
- p. 201 …At one time I was sent by the US government to assist the South Africa meterological…
- p. 202 …The radar reflectors were sheets of
reflective material and they changed over time but I don…
- p. 205 …GeNII was the Project Engineer for the NYU balloon project during the 1947 time frame. I…
- p. 206 …of the 1883 Krakatoa explosion where the
pressure waves circled the earth seven times. Dr Cracy…
- p. 217 …One of the individuals,
Sheridan Cavitt, who at that time was a Counter-Intelligence
Corps officer…
SC: Yes, I guess you could say that. I was the only commissioned officer. I had two enJisted
agents "working for me" quote end quote.
RW: Who were the enlisted agents that worked for you?
SC: The senior was a Master Sergeant by the name of Rickett and the young agent, Jack
Williams. I later had some other people working for me after CIC deceased and OSI took over
for the Air Force... the investigative agency.
RW: That actually came, I think, in September when the Air Force first stated. You were one of
the charter members of OS I, as I understand?
SC: Yeah, over from CIC and OSI; and then I went to OSI school later.
RW: You reported through your chain of command? You didn't report to General Blanchard,
the Base Commander? You reported like we did in OSI through the separate chain of command,
as I understand it; is that right?
SC: Yeah, our parent organization was 700 CIC and I believe that there ... they had sort of a
branch up in Colorado at that time, but I think most of our work was sent directly back to Bolling
at that time. I am a little fuzzy on that because I wasn't in the organization very long, you know.
RW: OK. General Blanchard was the Base Commander and everyone else in the S09th basically
reported to him then?
SC: Oh yeah. Colonel Blanchard.
RW: Oh yeah. Excuse me, Colonel Blanchard.
SC: He was the Wmg Commander of the 509th, right. I didn't report to anybody on the base.
RW: Just like in OSI?
SC: Yeah, I associated and coordinated stuff with Marcel and I had no responsibility to
Blanchard or Marcel.
RW: Do you recall an incident that happened during the early part of July when you were asked
to accompany Major Marcel to go recover some wreckage of anything?
SC: Well, there again I couldn't swear to the dates, but in that time, which must have been July,
we heard that someone had found some debris out not too tar &om RosweU and it looked
suspicious; it was unidentified. So, I went out and I do DOt recall whether Marcel went with
Rickett and me; I bad Rickett with me. We went out to tbis site. There were no, as I understand,
check points or anything like that (going through guards and that sort of garbage) we went out
there and we found it. It wu a small amount o( u I recall, bamboo sticks, reflective sort of