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This is the official transcript of a July 26, 2023 hearing held by the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Oversight and Accountability's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs. The hearing was titled "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency." Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Commander David Fravor testified. Members pressed for transparency and whistleblower protections, and Graves described a near miss involving a dark cube inside a clear sphere.

  • p. 6 …However, AARO’s budget remains classified, prohibiting meaningful over- sight from Congress. In addition to AARO…
  • p. 7 …Some have even confided in me that they have had UFO sightings of their own. Those…
  • p. 8 …Yet, from Roswell, New Mexico to the coast of Jacksonville, Flor- ida, the sightings of UAPs…
  • p. 9 …But we will hear from people who have had personal sightings rather than Pentagon bureaucrats who…
  • p. 12 …Government is aware a lot more sightings of UAPs and that they have not made that…
  • p. 14 …These sightings are not rare or isolated. They are routine. Military aircrew and commercial pilots, trained…
  • p. 15 11 was no official acknowledgement of the incident and no further mechanism to report the sightings…
  • p. 21 …of them also had their own eye sightings as well of these ob- jects. Now, that…
  • p. 28 …Later in the evening, post sunset, there were reports of other sightings on base including some…
  • p. 36 …Are they required to issue any disclosure re- garding UAP sightings or do they engage in…
  • p. 43 …What percentage of UAP sightings, in your belief, go unreported by our pilots? Mr. GRAVES. This…
  • p. 46 …You know, it has been said it is prob- ably the most credible UFO sighting in…
  • p. 50 …Are there also commercial pilots who have encountered the same kind of sightings that you de…
  • p. 51 …and that was a very close visual sighting. Mr. RASKIN. And you were in one of…
  • p. 52 …available to the public to report these sightings? Mr. GRAVES. Right now I do not think…
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to UAPs. I thank of you for your presence here today and for your
dedication to safeguarding the interests of the American people. I
look forward to your testimony.
Now I am going to turn it over for two and a half or 3 minutes
to Representative Burchett from Tennessee.
Mr. BURCHETT. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you all for
being here. I want to thank everybody for making this happen
today and I want to remind everybody this is a nonpartisan issue.
This has nothing to do with party politics. I think the cover up goes
a lot deeper than that.
I also want to thank my colleagues, Representative Anna Paulina
Luna, sitting beside me here; Jared Moskowitz, my friend across
the aisle, who has an incredible mind, and I am anxious to hear
his questions; my buddy, Eric Burlison. And it is not in my notes
here but Matt Gaetz—if it had not been for Matt Gaetz, myself,
him, and Luna would still be down at Eglin Air Force Base trying
to get some answers. He has got an incredible legal mind.
Also, I know I saw out in the crowd there George Knapp, my
buddy, Jeremy Corbell. They are not witnesses, but they have pro-
vided some statements on this subject, and I seek unanimous con-
sent to enter those statements into the record, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. GROTHMAN. Without objection.
Mr. BURCHETT. I also would like to enter in—I understand now
that this is unclassified, and it is public record but as we all know
that is sometimes difficult for the public to get a hold of—a report,
defense intelligence reference documents, ‘‘Advanced Space Propul-
sion Based on Vacuum (spacetime metric) Engineering,’’ some light
reading for some of our Members.
Mr. GROTHMAN. Without objection.
Mr. BURCHETT. Thank you. You know, Mr. Knapp wrote since
1969, the position of our military has been that UFOs posed no
threat to national security and are not worthy of further study. I
would say that is the biggest understatement of the decade.
He also goes on to talk about the dismissive attitude is at odds
with what was revealed in documents, reports, and internal
memos. And Mr. Corbell says as he writes these words, the UFO
is emerging as a major topic of global importance.
I can state that as a fact out there. I met a fellow who came in
here all the way from Denmark to be here for this meeting. So, this
is huge. This is worldwide. I think we suspect what is going on.
But I would also like to thank the Members of Congress who
have supported our efforts to make this hearing happen. Some
have even confided in me that they have had UFO sightings of
their own.
Those Members, of course, some of them wish to remain anony-
mous and I will keep it that way. But also, finally, I would like to
thank these three brave witnesses here. They took an oath to up-
hold the Constitution of the United States and daggum it they are
doing it and we owe them a debt of gratitude.
[Applause.]
Mr. BURCHETT. You all quit clapping. You are cutting in on my
time.
[Laughter.]

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