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This is the official transcript of a July 26, 2023 hearing held by the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Oversight and Accountability's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs. The hearing was titled "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency." Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Commander David Fravor testified. Members pressed for transparency and whistleblower protections, and Graves described a near miss involving a dark cube inside a clear sphere.
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48 Mr. BURCHETT. Let me ask you all, how can the public contribute to UAP reporting and what avenues you think are available to the public to report these sightings? Mr. GRAVES. Right now I do not think there is a lot of public op- tions for the everyman to be able to report on this. I think even for professionals that have sensor data that are seeing these on a regular basis they are still hesitant to come forward. And so, for the general public I think encouraging the conversa- tions that we are having today, looking for technology solutions that can be distributed so that objective data can be gathered is the first place to go. Mr. BURCHETT. Mr. Grusch? Mr. GRUSCH. I will just touch on the whistleblower side of it. I do encourage, you know, current and former military, intelligence community, and industry contractors to come forward in a legal way, either through the IC or DoD or whatever the cognizant IGs are to join me in this discussion. Mr. BURCHETT. Commander? And I guess I should say this for the record. My daddy was United States Marine Corps First Ma- rine Division. So—— Commander FRAVOR. Oorah. Mr. BURCHETT. Yes, sir. He was old school. Him and Chesty Pull- er on Peleliu. So thank you, brother. Commander FRAVOR. Wow. Mr. BURCHETT. I am not—I am not anything like my daddy. He was incredible. I am very mediocre, to say the least. But go ahead. Commander FRAVOR. You seem to be doing fine. Mr. BURCHETT. Yes. Commander FRAVOR. For me, you know, I was an accident inves- tigator. So, the biggest thing that you learn, and I think that wit- nesses need to do is, one, do not try and make the fish bigger than it was. Stick to the facts. Write it down and do not speculate what you think it is because it will sway your decision. Just write the facts down. We can get all the facts together and we can start to investigate and get a real honest story instead of it was this big. Mr. BURCHETT. Thank you, and I want to thank everybody. We made history today. Mr. Chairman, I yield. Mr. GROTHMAN. Thank you much. Mr. Garcia? Mr. GARCIA. I think—I know now we are going to be making some closing remarks and so I just want to just say a few things. First, to our witnesses, I want to thank all of you for being here with us today. I know that it takes a lot—a lot of courage. You are telling really important information to this Committee, and I just want to thank you also for your—all three of you, your service to our country. I also want to just note that today’s hearing was both important but also serious and I want to thank our Subcommittee Chairman, Mr. Grothman, I think for running a very fair and substantive hearing. I do want to thank the Committee staff on both sides for the amount of work that it took to put this hearing in place and certainly to all the Members that have been involved in this issue prior to—prior to the hearing.
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