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This is the official transcript of a July 26, 2023 hearing held by the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Oversight and Accountability's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs. The hearing was titled "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency." Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Commander David Fravor testified. Members pressed for transparency and whistleblower protections, and Graves described a near miss involving a dark cube inside a clear sphere.
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34 U.S. Government with regard to UAPs, right, and so I am going to get to that in a second. But last week White House NSC spokesman, John Kirby, stated that UAPs are having an impact on our training ranges and needs to be treated as a legitimate issue. Do you concur with his state- ments? And that is for each of you. Mr. GRUSCH. Yes. Mr. GRAVES. Yes. Commander FRAVOR. Yes. Mr. BIGGS. OK. Now, having said that, I am going to take you to specific instances around the Phoenix Valley because that is where I live. In 1997, we had the famous Phoenix Lights case. I do not know if any of you are familiar with that. There were two things that went along with that and the explanation was military training range off Luke and the Barry Goldwater range. Do you know anything different other than the official expla- nation of those lights? Mr. GRUSCH. Only what is in the public vernacular about it. That was outside the scope of my duties. Mr. BIGGS. And if we wanted to—just my question along with my colleague from New York, Ms. Ocasio-Cortez, if we wanted to find out more about that where would we go to find the files and where—and who would we address? I know you are going to tell me we need to go to a SCIF so you can tell us in a SCIF. Commander FRAVOR. I could potentially give you a vector on that. That specific case I am not—I mean, I am familiar with it in terms of public, but I can give you a vector in a closed environ- ment. Yes. Mr. BIGGS. That would be good. Thank you. So, if it is true that UAPs are having an impact on training ranges and this Adminis- tration considers it to be a legitimate issue what steps can Con- gress take to address training range impacts? And I say that hav- ing two very large training rages in my state. And so, we will start with Mr. Graves and go on down the panel. Mr. GRAVES. Some of the initial procedures have been imple- mented such as within the United States Navy that have a Range Fouler Report that gathers information from pilots. I understand that a service-wide reporting mechanism is still pending. However, that would be a great next step not only for gathering information but for showing the troops that is an acceptable topic and reducing the stigma. Mr. BIGGS. OK. Please all of you continue. Mr. GRUSCH. Yes. As a recipient of a lot of those training range reports sometimes we only get contextual, kind of oral reporting. It would be nice if they attached all sensor data and there is a system in place that can handle multiple classifications of data, and that is an issue with the F–35, right. That jet was never built to be an ISR platform, and it is a pain in the butt to get that data off. So—— Mr. BIGGS. Great. Thank you. Commander FRAVOR. Yes, I would agree with the previous two, being a user of those training ranges, that the data has to be out
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