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This is the official transcript of a July 26, 2023 hearing held by the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Oversight and Accountability's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs. The hearing was titled "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency." Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Commander David Fravor testified. Members pressed for transparency and whistleblower protections, and Graves described a near miss involving a dark cube inside a clear sphere.
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29 tions ultimately led NASA to assemble the independent study team that I mentioned earlier. Also, in 2021 Harvard University stood up the Galileo Project to research and examine the origins of UAP. So, it seems like both, you know, from NASA and in the higher education community be- cause of the work that you all have done and people standing up, you know, I think we are seeing some of that stigma slowly going away. Mr. Fravor, do you believe that military pilots feeling empowered to share their UAP experiences has directly impacted the scientific community’s research goals on this topic? Commander FRAVOR. I would say yes. I would say that, you know, starting in 2017 when it actually came out, it took that stig- ma away. I mean, I have talked to multiple Senators who said prior to that if you would have mentioned UAP, you would have been laughed off the Hill and now we are sitting here today for a public testimony on what is actually going on. You know, I am hop- ing that this curve will be more of an exponential and we will get more and more transparent to the level that we can. Mr. FROST. I mean, it is important. I could not imagine—you know, I am not a pilot, but I used to fly gliders in Civil Air Patrol. Commander FRAVOR. A pilot? Mr. FROST. And so, either way, I mean, I could not imagine, you know, being in the glider and seeing something and then not feel- ing like I had the agency to talk about it. Mr. Graves, can you discuss the importance of seeking scientists to sit on your advisory board? Mr. GRAVES. Absolutely. I think, ultimately, this is going to be a scientific problem, and not only that, it is also an engineering problem. I have been working with the American Institute of Aero- nautics and Astronautics to help them stand up a UAP integration committee to help integrate their engineering prowess into this problem. And so, yes, very much I think this is an engineering and sci- entific problem as much as a national security problem. Mr. FROST. And how might Congress help to facilitate partner- ships between the scientific community and the UAP focus groups within government? Mr. GRAVES. Well, I think one of the things they can do is to have these types of hearings to communicate to the public that this is a topic of interest. I think that there is a pseudo market, if you will, of interested capabilities and talent that want to approach this topic and we are seeing that start to grow now. So, I think continued conversation and reduction of stigma is going to allow that to flourish and allow answers to help generate themselves. Mr. FROST. A hundred percent. Well, thank you all for being here. Thank you for your work. I think it is important that we keep our top scientific minds focused on this issue and look for ways to increase collaboration. Thank you so much. I yield back. Mr. GROTHMAN. Mr. Comer? Mr. COMER. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Let me say I want to thank you for having this hearing and I want to thank Mr.
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