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This is the official transcript of a July 26, 2023 hearing held by the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Oversight and Accountability's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs. The hearing was titled "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency." Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Commander David Fravor testified. Members pressed for transparency and whistleblower protections, and Graves described a near miss involving a dark cube inside a clear sphere.

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“Encounters”11 pages

  • p. 10 …Now, pilots have reported encounters for years and because of the stigma around reporting these incidents…
  • p. 14 …tary veterans who have confided their similar encounters with me. Today I would like to highlight…
  • p. 15 …Soon these encounters became so frequent that aircrew would discuss the risk of UAP as part…
  • p. 19 …trained and briefed on how to handle encounters with UAPs? Mr. GRAVES. No. Right now, military…
  • p. 20 …Was this incident the only UAP event that you encountered while you were a pilot? Commander…
  • p. 21 …30 pilots right now that have had encounters with UAPs. But you have also, I believe…
  • p. 22 …not pi- lots who may have UAP encounters? Do either of you have any sug- gestions…
  • p. 25 …Graves, you reported UAP encounters during training flights, I think, and have since come forward to…
  • p. 26 …system- atic inventory of all of such encounters. Is that right? Mr. GRAVES. Yes, and I…
  • p. 44 …It took over 15 years for your encounter with the Tic Tac to be declassified. Do…
  • p. 50 …I wonder was this the first time that you encountered a UFO or a UAP in…
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C O N T E N T S
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Hearing held on July 26, 2023 ............................................................................... 1
WITNESSES
Mr. Ryan Graves, Executive Director, Americans for Safe Aerospace
Oral Statement ........................................................................................................ 10
Mr. David Grusch, Former National Reconnaissance Office Representative,
Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force, Department of Defense
Oral Statement ........................................................................................................ 11
Commander David Fravor (Ret.), Former Commanding Officer, United States
Navy
Oral Statement ........................................................................................................ 12
Written opening statements and statements for the witnesses are available
on the U.S. House of Representatives Document Repository at:
docs.house.gov.
INDEX OF DOCUMENTS
* Report, Jeremy Corbell, ‘‘The UAP Puzzle’’; submitted by Rep. Burchett.
* Statement for the Record, by George Knapp; submitted by Rep. Burchett.
* Defense Intelligence Reference Document, ‘‘Advanced Space Propulsion
Based on Vacuum (Spacetime Metric) Engineering’’; submitted by Rep.
Burchett.
* Article, NewsNation, ‘‘We are not alone: The UFO whistleblower speaks’’;
submitted by Rep. Luna.
Documents are available at: docs.house.gov.

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