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This is the official transcript of a July 26, 2023 hearing held by the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Oversight and Accountability's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs. The hearing was titled "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency." Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Commander David Fravor testified. Members pressed for transparency and whistleblower protections, and Graves described a near miss involving a dark cube inside a clear sphere.
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21 denied access to the SCIF and that is very unfortunate in this sce- nario. Mr. Fravor, do you believe that you witnessed an additional ob- ject under the water in relation to your encounter? Commander FRAVOR. I will say we did not see an object. There was something there to cause the whitewater and when we turned around it was gone. So, there was something there that obviously moved. Mr. BURCHETT. OK. It was not the same object, though, that you were looking at, correct? Commander FRAVOR. No. We actually joked that the Tic Tac was communicating with something when we came back and—because the whitewater disappeared. Mr. BURCHETT. We were—in another instance—were told about the capabilities of a jamming during viewing of some—when there were some people chasing some of these objects. Did you experience any of that jamming or interrupting your radar or weapons sys- tem? Commander FRAVOR. My crew that launched after we landed ex- perienced significant jamming to the APG–73 radar, which was what we had on board, which is a mechanically scan very high-end system prior to the APG–79 and, yes, it did pretty much everything you could do—range, velocity, aspect—and then it split the lock, then the targeting pod is passive. That is what we were able to get the video on. Mr. BURCHETT. I am about to run out of time. But are you aware of any of our enemies that have that capability? Commander FRAVOR. No. Mr. BURCHETT. OK. I would also like to note for the record that, like George Knapp, Breaking Area 51, he is the reason I knew about that, and the reason I know about the Tic Tacs is because Leslie Keane from a New York Times article and I would encourage everybody to read that. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield back to you no time. Mr. GROTHMAN. Very good. Mr. Raskin? Mr. RASKIN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Graves, you reported UAP encounters during training flights, I think, and have since come forward to warn the Pentagon that these encounters may be putting pilots at risk. My first ques- tion is, you have identified these as taking place on the East Coast—is it just on the East Coast where these encounters have been reported? Mr. GRAVES. No. Since the events initially occurred, I have learned that the objects have been detected, essentially, where all operations—our Navy operations are being conducted across the world and that is from the All-Domain Anomaly Resolutions Office reporting. Mr. RASKIN. Can you describe your experience after you decided to come forward and go public with your experience? Mr. GRAVES. Certainly. Like many others in 2017, I saw the New York Times article come out as well and for me it was special be- cause I recognized the voices on the video. I recognize the video itself. I had seen it when it was taken. I had seen it when it was debriefed.
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