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This is the official transcript of a July 26, 2023 hearing held by the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Oversight and Accountability's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs. The hearing was titled "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency." Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Commander David Fravor testified. Members pressed for transparency and whistleblower protections, and Graves described a near miss involving a dark cube inside a clear sphere.

  • p. 3 …David Grusch, Former National Reconnaissance Office Representative, Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force, Department of Defense Oral…
  • p. 6 …We must demand transparency from the Department of Defense, our intelligence community, and our defense industry…
  • p. 10 …Now, I understand fully the Department of Defense is hesitant to share information that could also…
  • p. 11 …within the Department of Defense and more—and to mandate more of Congress of UAPs. We…
  • p. 15 …OF DAVID GRUSCH FORMER NATIONAL RECONNAISSANCE OFFICER REPRESENTATIVE UNIDENTIFIED ANOMALOUS PHENOMENA TASK FORCE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE…
  • p. 19 …The military and Department of Defense has stated that UAP represent a critical aviation safety risk…
  • p. 28 …In the 2003 timeframe, a large group of Boeing contractors were operating near one of the…
  • p. 30 …Based on conventional advanced tech I was briefed to the preponderance of the Defense Department’s…
  • p. 32 …You know, in 2020 the Department of Defense re- leased several videos of UAPs including Mr…
  • p. 35 …I was told the Depart- ment of Defense maybe 60 percent of their assets are unaccounted…
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I became a whistleblower through a PPD–19 urgent concern fil-
ing in May 2022 with the intelligence community inspector general
following concerning reports from multiple esteemed and
credentialed current and former military and intelligence commu-
nity individuals that the U.S. Government is operating with se-
crecy above congressional oversight with regards to UAPs.
My testimony is based on information I have been given by indi-
viduals with a long-standing track record of legitimacy and service
to this country, many of whom also have shared compelling evi-
dence in the form of photography, official documentation, and clas-
sified oral testimony to myself and many of my various colleagues.
I have taken every step I can to corroborate this evidence over
a period of 4 years while I was with the UAP Task Force and do
my due diligence on the individuals sharing it. It is because of
these steps, I believe strongly in the importance of bringing this in-
formation before you.
I am driven by a commitment of both to truth and transparency,
rooted in our inherent duty to uphold the United States Constitu-
tion and protect the American people. I am asking Congress to hold
our government to this standard and thoroughly investigate these
claims.
But as I stand here under oath now, I am speaking to the facts
as I have been told them. In the U.S. Air Force in my National Re-
connaissance Office—NRO—reservist capacity, I was a member of
the UAP Task Force from 2019 to 2021.
I served at the NRO operations center on the Director’s briefing
staff, which included the coordination of the Presidential daily brief
and supporting a variety of contingency operations, which I was
the reserve intelligence division chief backup.
In 2019, the UAP Task Force Director asked me to identify all
special access programs and controlled access programs, also
known as SAPs and CAPs, we needed to satisfy our congressionally
mandated mission and we would direct report at the time to the
DEP/SecDef.
At the time, due to my extensive executive level intelligence sup-
port duties I was cleared to literally all relevant compartments and
in a position of extreme trust both in my military and civilian ca-
pacities.
I was informed in the course of my official duties of a multi-dec-
ade UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program to which
I was denied access to those additional read-ons when I requested
it.
I made the decision based on the data I collected to report this
information to my superiors and multiple inspectors general and,
in effect, becoming a whistleblower. As you know, I have suffered
retaliation for my decision, but I am hopeful that my actions will
ultimately lead to a positive outcome of increased transparency.
Thank you, and I am happy to answer your questions.
Mr. GROTHMAN. Thank you.
Commander Fravor?

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