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This is the official transcript of a July 26, 2023 hearing held by the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Oversight and Accountability's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs. The hearing was titled "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency." Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Commander David Fravor testified. Members pressed for transparency and whistleblower protections, and Graves described a near miss involving a dark cube inside a clear sphere.

  • p. 3 …Ryan Graves, Executive Director, Americans for Safe Aerospace Oral Statement ........................................................................................................ 10 Mr. David Grusch, Former National…
  • p. 9 …to be here as well. To Mr. Graves, I am particularly grateful to you to spend…
  • p. 10 …UFOs by the Defense Intelligence Agency. Mr. Graves and Commander Fravor’s experiences with UAPs have…
  • p. 13 …Our first witness is Lieutenant Ryan Graves. He is the Ex- ecutive Director of Americans for…
  • p. 14 …STATEMENT OF RYAN GRAVES EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AMERICANS FOR SAFE AEROSPACE Mr. GRAVES. Thank you, Chairman Grothman…
  • p. 19 …I am going to start with Mr. Graves. Are your pilots, or pilots that you interact…
  • p. 20 …Mr. GROTHMAN. OK. Each of you? Mr. GRAVES. I would also like to add from a…
  • p. 21 …and pilots’ interaction with UAPs. Particularly, Mr. Graves, one of the, I think, concerns from Mem…
  • p. 22 …order to investigate. Mr. GARCIA. Mr. Graves? Mr. GRAVES. I will concur with everything Mr. Fravor…
  • p. 23 …technology we have today. Mr. Graves? Mr. Fravor? Mr. GRAVES. Yes. The objects that are being…
  • p. 25 …Mr. RASKIN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Graves, you reported UAP encounters during training flights, I…
  • p. 26 …what the convergence of descriptions is? Mr. GRAVES. Certainly. We were primarily seeing dark gray or…
  • p. 28 …for you before I move to Mr. Graves is you received prior approval from the Defense…
  • p. 29 …to safety for potential airline passengers? Mr. GRAVES. I have been made privy to conversations with…
  • p. 32 …we all eagerly await its results. Mr. Graves, how might NASA’s research influence the commer…
  • p. 33 …the agency to talk about it. Mr. Graves, can you discuss the importance of seeking scientists…
  • p. 36 …I wanted to pick up on. Mr. Graves, you mentioned specifically during the answer to one…
  • p. 37 …them. Ms. OCASIO-CORTEZ. OK. Mr. Graves? Mr. GRAVES. I was an operator, so I was…
  • p. 38 …start with Mr. Graves and go on down the panel. Mr. GRAVES. Some of the initial…
  • p. 39 …American people? All of you, yes. Mr. GRAVES. I will say yes to that. Mr. GRUSCH…
  • p. 42 …In all of the phenomenon, perhaps, Mr. Graves, that you have ana- lyzed have we ever…
  • p. 43 …I want to thank each of you for being here to discuss a topic of grave…
  • p. 47 …essentially collecting reconnaissance in- formation? Mr. Graves? Mr. GRAVES. Yes. Mr. OGLES. Mr. Grusch? Mr. GRUSCH…
  • p. 48 …in UAP data collection and housing? Mr. GRAVES. I do not have an answer. Mr. GRUSCH…
  • p. 50 …right level. Mr. RASKIN. OK. And, Mr. Graves, you said that there are dozens of fellow…
  • p. 51 …Mr. GRAVES. Yes. Mr. RASKIN. And with no self-evident propulsion system? Mr. GRAVES. No wings…
  • p. 52 …the public to report these sightings? Mr. GRAVES. Right now I do not think there is…
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We will hear testimony from witnesses today with a long record
of service to the American people and with subject matter exper-
tise.
Our witnesses have a unique opportunity to share their perspec-
tive, insights, and their experiences with the American people and
I encourage all of my colleagues to engage with these difficult ques-
tions with an open mind and to follow the facts on behalf of our
country.
I also just want to say, more broadly, that we should look at this
hearing and believe that everything is on the table as it relates to
UAPs. I think an open mind is absolutely the best.
I want to yield the two and a half minutes, the remainder of my
time, to the representative from Florida, Representative
Moskowitz, for an opening statement. He also has been very much
engaged in this issue and I want to thank him for his leadership.
Congressman?
Mr. MOSKOWITZ. Thank you, Ranking Member Garcia. Thank
you, Mr. Chairman. I want to thank Tim Burchett and Anna Pau-
lina Luna for their leadership in pushing this hearing forward.
I want to thank, obviously, committee staff and their staff work-
ing on this on a bipartisan basis because many Americans are
deeply interested in this issue, and it should not take the potential
of nonhuman origin to bring us together.
Additionally, I want to thank the witnesses for coming forward
to share your perspectives, your thoughts, and the sightings of
UAPs. Unlike other hearings many times in Congress you are not
here to help a political party, but you are here to share information
with the American people, and it is not something that is just going
on in this Administration.
It is something that has spanned many administrations. For dec-
ades many Americans have been fascinated by objects mysterious
and unexplained and it is long past time that they got some an-
swers.
The American public has a right to learn about technologies of
unknown origins, nonhuman intelligence, and unexplainable phe-
nomena. Those are not the words of a UFO Twitter account. That
is a direct quote from Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, that the
American public has a right to learn about technologies of un-
known origins, nonhuman intelligence, and unexplainable phe-
nomena.
In an interview with Fox News, recent former Director of Na-
tional Intelligence John Ratcliffe confirmed the U.S. Government is
aware a lot more sightings of UAPs and that they have not made
that information public. I quote, ‘‘There are a lot more sightings
that have not been made public,’’ Ratcliffe said to Fox News.
For me, this hearing is about transparency. We, unfortunately,
live in a time in which many people distrust government and our
institutions and over classification of information away from the
American public or even Congress contributes to today’s politics.
The American people have regular questions. What are UAPs?
How come the media does not report more on them? Are they for-
eign adversaries? Are they U.S. technology? Are they something
else?

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