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This is the official transcript of a July 26, 2023 hearing held by the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs, titled "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency." Witnesses Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Commander David Fravor testified under oath. Members pressed for transparency, and Graves described a near midair encounter with a cube inside a clear sphere.

  • p. 6 …Congress should work to ensure that knowledge is not driven by fear. Today, we are not…
  • p. 8 …We need to tell the folks at the Pentagon they work for us, daggum it. We…
  • p. 9 …In being an active-duty service member working on an airfield, I have had conversations with…
  • p. 11 …I am proud to say that this hearing builds upon bipartisan work by Members of the…
  • p. 12 …I want to thank, obviously, committee staff and their staff work- ing on this on a…
  • p. 13 …And, finally, retired Navy Commander David Fravor, squadron leader who worked as a naval aviator for…
  • p. 18 …They work with Leslie Keane, who is present today, Ralph Blumenthal and Helene Cooper to publish…
  • p. 20 …If you had one, you captured one, you reverse engineered it, you got it to work…
  • p. 21 …And so can you just briefly—you mentioned that you are working with 30 pilots right…
  • p. 22 …be an outcome that this Committee can work on. Is there anything else just for the…
  • p. 23 19 particularly by the 30 folks that you are working with, are essen- tially outside the…
  • p. 27 …To your knowledge, are NHIs working with adversarial foreign governments in either technology exchange programs or…
  • p. 29 …Grusch, as a result of your previous govern- ment work, have you met with people with…
  • p. 32 …marketplaces, and I think NASA’s work, as they work to identify and highlight specific parameters…
  • p. 33 …I have been working with the American Institute of Aero- nautics and Astronautics to help them…
  • p. 35 …hammered, but seems like it does not work the other way, right. Mr. BURCHETT. If you…
  • p. 40 …a theo- retical framework at least to work off to kind of espouse crashes. Regardless of…
  • p. 41 …did not have a FLIR system that worked. Here is what he said. They were out…
  • p. 45 …Got a Master’s from Univer- sity of Houston and I have worked in the private…
  • p. 48 …Do you have any personal knowledge of someone who has possibly been injured working on legacy…
  • p. 50 …we had at the entrance to our working area. One of these objects was completely stationary…
  • p. 51 47 exact entrance to our working areas, not only geographically but also altitude. So, it was…
  • p. 52 …I do want to thank the Committee staff on both sides for the amount of work…
  • p. 53 …the broader issue as it relates to working with our Republican counterparts on this Committee. I…
  • p. 54 …I need to compliment the folks in my office that did a lot of the work…
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to UAPs. I thank of you for your presence here today and for your
dedication to safeguarding the interests of the American people. I
look forward to your testimony.
Now I am going to turn it over for two and a half or 3 minutes
to Representative Burchett from Tennessee.
Mr. BURCHETT. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you all for
being here. I want to thank everybody for making this happen
today and I want to remind everybody this is a nonpartisan issue.
This has nothing to do with party politics. I think the cover up goes
a lot deeper than that.
I also want to thank my colleagues, Representative Anna Paulina
Luna, sitting beside me here; Jared Moskowitz, my friend across
the aisle, who has an incredible mind, and I am anxious to hear
his questions; my buddy, Eric Burlison. And it is not in my notes
here but Matt Gaetz—if it had not been for Matt Gaetz, myself,
him, and Luna would still be down at Eglin Air Force Base trying
to get some answers. He has got an incredible legal mind.
Also, I know I saw out in the crowd there George Knapp, my
buddy, Jeremy Corbell. They are not witnesses, but they have pro-
vided some statements on this subject, and I seek unanimous con-
sent to enter those statements into the record, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. GROTHMAN. Without objection.
Mr. BURCHETT. I also would like to enter in—I understand now
that this is unclassified, and it is public record but as we all know
that is sometimes difficult for the public to get a hold of—a report,
defense intelligence reference documents, ‘‘Advanced Space Propul-
sion Based on Vacuum (spacetime metric) Engineering,’’ some light
reading for some of our Members.
Mr. GROTHMAN. Without objection.
Mr. BURCHETT. Thank you. You know, Mr. Knapp wrote since
1969, the position of our military has been that UFOs posed no
threat to national security and are not worthy of further study. I
would say that is the biggest understatement of the decade.
He also goes on to talk about the dismissive attitude is at odds
with what was revealed in documents, reports, and internal
memos. And Mr. Corbell says as he writes these words, the UFO
is emerging as a major topic of global importance.
I can state that as a fact out there. I met a fellow who came in
here all the way from Denmark to be here for this meeting. So, this
is huge. This is worldwide. I think we suspect what is going on.
But I would also like to thank the Members of Congress who
have supported our efforts to make this hearing happen. Some
have even confided in me that they have had UFO sightings of
their own.
Those Members, of course, some of them wish to remain anony-
mous and I will keep it that way. But also, finally, I would like to
thank these three brave witnesses here. They took an oath to up-
hold the Constitution of the United States and daggum it they are
doing it and we owe them a debt of gratitude.
[Applause.]
Mr. BURCHETT. You all quit clapping. You are cutting in on my
time.
[Laughter.]

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