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This is the official transcript of a July 26, 2023 hearing held by the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs, titled "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency." Witnesses Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Commander David Fravor testified under oath. Members pressed for transparency, and Graves described a near midair encounter with a cube inside a clear sphere.

  • p. 14 …After upgrades were made to our jet’s radar sys- tems, we began detecting unknown objects…
  • p. 15 …The most compelling involve observations of UAP by multiple witnesses and sensor systems. I believe these…
  • p. 18 …There are multiple witnesses coming forward to say—that have firsthand knowledge, and Mr. Grusch just…
  • p. 40 …I know of multiple colleagues of mine that got phys- ically injured and the activity—— Mr…
  • p. 42 …Graves, that you have ana- lyzed have we ever seen multiple craft in a single formation…
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Obviously, I think several of us are going to look forward to get-
ting some answers in a more confidential setting. I assume some
legislation will come out of this.
Mr. BURCHETT. I apologize, Mr. Chairman. I need to compliment
the folks in my office that did a lot of the work on this. Rachel and
Noah sitting behind me here, they are very quiet and humble. But
without them this thing would not have come off like it did. So, I
apologize.
Mr. GROTHMAN. Thank you. I think we are going to want to look
into what we can do to make more of this information public. I
think there is certainly a time period after which it should always
be made public and people have been concerned about these issues,
like I said, since I was in high school.
But in any event, I would like to thank everybody who was here
sticking through the entire hearing.
Without objection, the Members will have five legislative days to
submit materials and to submit additional written questions for the
witnesses, which will be forwarded to the witnesses for their re-
sponse.
If there is no further business, without objection, the Sub-
committee stands adjourned.
[Whereupon, at 12:22 p.m., the Subcommittee was adjourned.]
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