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This is the official transcript of a July 26, 2023 hearing held by the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs, titled "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency." Witnesses Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Commander David Fravor testified under oath. Members pressed for transparency, and Graves described a near midair encounter with a cube inside a clear sphere.
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- p. 5 …Without objection, the Chair may declare a
recess at any time. Additionally, without objection, the following…
- p. 7 …I
would say that is the biggest understatement of the decade.
He also goes on to…
- p. 8 …And I yield back the remainder of my time, I think—is it to Rep-
resentative…
- p. 9 …Even more alarming is the fact that these eyewitnesses are,
many times, service members and have…
- p. 10 …Now, some of the earliest reporting on this issue was a
groundbreaking 2017 New York Times…
- p. 12 …I want to yield the two and a half minutes, the remainder of my
time, to…
- p. 13 …I believe more information is known about the 171 instances. It
is time for Congress to…
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was no official acknowledgement of the incident and no further
mechanism to report the sightings…
- p. 16 …At the time, due to my extensive executive level intelligence sup-
port duties I was cleared…
- p. 18 …the articles in the 2017
New York Times and it removed the stigma on the topic…
- p. 19 …for the United
States and best for the citizens.
I thank you for your time. Thank…
- p. 21 …Now, that was our personal firsthand experience at the time.
Since then, as I have engaged…
- p. 25 …Like many others in 2017, I saw the New
York Times article come out as well…
- p. 28 …They had official documentation and records
from the event that the witness held over the years…
- p. 29 25
provide precise kinematics on the object as well as the fleet of ob-
jects that…
- p. 31 …I will yield the balance of my time back.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. GROTHMAN. Ms…
- p. 37 …I just—my time
is limited.
Mr. Graves, one of your main concerns that the FAA…
- p. 39 …I know for a fact the video or the pic-
tures that came out in the…
- p. 46 …our
speed in no time at all.
Mr. LANGWORTHY. Now, if the fastest plane on Earth…
- p. 48 …Chairman, with that, I will yield the remainder of my time
to my fellow colleague from…
- p. 50 …Chairman, I yield the remain-
der of my time.
Mr. GROTHMAN. OK. We will go to…
- p. 51 …credibility to the New York Times article. And so after
about six times I said OK…
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I also want to note for our witnesses and for the public that I
am…
- p. 54 …I need to compliment
the folks in my office that did a lot of the work…
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Obviously, I think several of us are going to look forward to get-
ting some answers in a more confidential setting. I assume some
legislation will come out of this.
Mr. BURCHETT. I apologize, Mr. Chairman. I need to compliment
the folks in my office that did a lot of the work on this. Rachel and
Noah sitting behind me here, they are very quiet and humble. But
without them this thing would not have come off like it did. So, I
apologize.
Mr. GROTHMAN. Thank you. I think we are going to want to look
into what we can do to make more of this information public. I
think there is certainly a time period after which it should always
be made public and people have been concerned about these issues,
like I said, since I was in high school.
But in any event, I would like to thank everybody who was here
sticking through the entire hearing.
Without objection, the Members will have five legislative days to
submit materials and to submit additional written questions for the
witnesses, which will be forwarded to the witnesses for their re-
sponse.
If there is no further business, without objection, the Sub-
committee stands adjourned.
[Whereupon, at 12:22 p.m., the Subcommittee was adjourned.]
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