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This is the official transcript of a July 26, 2023 hearing held by the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs, titled "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency." Witnesses Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Commander David Fravor testified under oath. Members pressed for transparency, and Graves described a near midair encounter with a cube inside a clear sphere.
“Sightings”15 pages
36 So, at one point you had said that there has been harmful activ- ity or aggressive activity. Has any of the activity been aggressive, been hostile, in your reports? Mr. GRUSCH. I know of multiple colleagues of mine that got phys- ically injured and the activity—— Mr. BURLISON. By UAPs or by people within the Federal Govern- ment? Mr. GRUSCH. Both. Mr. BURLISON. OK. So, there has been activity by alien or nonhuman technology and/or beings that has caused harm to hu- mans? Mr. GRUSCH. I cannot get into the specifics in an open environ- ment, but at least the activity that I personally witnessed—and I have to be very careful here because you do not—you know, they tell you never to acknowledge tradecraft, right. So, what I personally witnessed, myself and my wife, was very disturbing. Mr. BURLISON. OK. One of my constituents actually sent this next question and I figured I would ask it since I have the same thought. You have said that U.S. has intact spacecraft. You said that the government has alien bodies or alien species. Have you seen—have you seen the spacecraft? Mr. GRUSCH. I have to be careful to describe what I have seen firsthand and not in this environment. But I could answer that question behind closed doors. Mr. BURLISON. Have you seen any of the bodies? Mr. GRUSCH. That is something I have not witnessed myself. Mr. BURLISON. OK. And so with that being said, you know, the other statement that has been made that was intriguing to me be- cause—and it is intriguing because my view has been that we are billions of light years away from any other system and the concept that an alien species that is technologically advanced enough to travel billions of light years gets here and somehow is incompetent enough to not survive Earth or crashes is something that I find a little bit farfetched. And that with that being said, you have mentioned that there is interdimensional potential. Could you expound on that? Mr. GRUSCH. To answer your first question and, you know, I am here as a fact witness and not an expert, but I will give you a theo- retical framework at least to work off to kind of espouse crashes. Regardless of, you know, your level of sentience, right—you know, planes crash, cars crash, and a number of sorties, however high, a small percentage are going to end in, you know, mission failure, if you will, as we say in the Air Force. And then in terms of multidimensionality, that kind of thing, the framework that I am familiar with, for example, is something called the holographic principle both—it derives itself from general relativity and quantum mechanics and that is if you want to imag- ine a 3D object such as yourself casting a shadow onto a 2D surface that is the holographic principle. So, you can be projected—quasi projected from higher dimen- sional space to lower dimensional. It is a scientific trope that you can actually cross, literally, as far as I understand, but there is
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