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This is the official transcript of a July 26, 2023 hearing held by the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs, titled "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency." Witnesses Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Commander David Fravor testified under oath. Members pressed for transparency, and Graves described a near midair encounter with a cube inside a clear sphere.
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- p. 6 …Congress should work to ensure that knowledge
is not driven by fear.
Today, we are not…
- p. 8 …We need to tell the folks at the Pentagon they work for us,
daggum it. We…
- p. 9 …In being an active-duty service member working on an airfield,
I have had conversations with…
- p. 11 …I am proud to say that this hearing builds upon bipartisan work
by Members of the…
- p. 12 …I want to thank, obviously, committee staff and their staff work-
ing on this on a…
- p. 13 …And, finally, retired Navy Commander David Fravor, squadron
leader who worked as a naval aviator for…
- p. 18 …They work with Leslie Keane, who is present today, Ralph
Blumenthal and Helene Cooper to publish…
- p. 20 …If you had one, you captured one, you reverse engineered it, you
got it to work…
- p. 21 …And so can you just briefly—you mentioned that you are working
with 30 pilots right…
- p. 22 …be an outcome that this Committee can
work on.
Is there anything else just for the…
- p. 23 19
particularly by the 30 folks that you are working with, are essen-
tially outside the…
- p. 27 …To your knowledge, are NHIs working with adversarial foreign
governments in either technology exchange programs or…
- p. 29 …Grusch, as a result of your previous govern-
ment work, have you met with people with…
- p. 32 …marketplaces, and I think NASA’s
work, as they work to identify and highlight specific parameters…
- p. 33 …I have been working with the American Institute of Aero-
nautics and Astronautics to help them…
- p. 35 …hammered, but seems like it does not work the
other way, right.
Mr. BURCHETT. If you…
- p. 40 …a theo-
retical framework at least to work off to kind of espouse crashes.
Regardless of…
- p. 41 …did not have a FLIR system that worked. Here is what he
said.
They were out…
- p. 45 …Got a Master’s from Univer-
sity of Houston and I have worked in the private…
- p. 48 …Do you have any personal knowledge of someone who has
possibly been injured working on legacy…
- p. 50 …we had at the entrance to our
working area. One of these objects was completely stationary…
- p. 51 47
exact entrance to our working areas, not only geographically but
also altitude.
So, it was…
- p. 52 …I do want to thank the Committee staff on both sides for
the amount of work…
- p. 53 …the broader
issue as it relates to working with our Republican counterparts on
this Committee.
I…
- p. 54 …I need to compliment
the folks in my office that did a lot of the work…
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