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This is the official transcript of a July 26, 2023 hearing held by the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs, titled "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency." Witnesses Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Commander David Fravor testified under oath. Members pressed for transparency, and Graves described a near midair encounter with a cube inside a clear sphere.
“Graves”27 pages
- p. 3 …Ryan Graves, Executive Director, Americans for Safe Aerospace
Oral Statement ........................................................................................................ 10
Mr. David Grusch, Former National…
- p. 9 …to be here as well.
To Mr. Graves, I am particularly grateful to you to spend…
- p. 10 …UFOs by the Defense Intelligence Agency.
Mr. Graves and Commander Fravor’s experiences with UAPs
have…
- p. 13 …Our first witness is Lieutenant Ryan Graves. He is the Ex-
ecutive Director of Americans for…
- p. 14 …STATEMENT OF RYAN GRAVES
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
AMERICANS FOR SAFE AEROSPACE
Mr. GRAVES. Thank you, Chairman Grothman…
- p. 19 …I am going to start with
Mr. Graves.
Are your pilots, or pilots that you interact…
- p. 20 …Mr. GROTHMAN. OK. Each of you?
Mr. GRAVES. I would also like to add from a…
- p. 21 …and pilots’ interaction with UAPs.
Particularly, Mr. Graves, one of the, I think, concerns from Mem…
- p. 22 …order to investigate.
Mr. GARCIA. Mr. Graves?
Mr. GRAVES. I will concur with everything Mr. Fravor…
- p. 23 …technology we have today.
Mr. Graves? Mr. Fravor?
Mr. GRAVES. Yes. The objects that are being…
- p. 25 …Mr. RASKIN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Graves, you reported UAP encounters during training
flights, I…
- p. 26 …what the
convergence of descriptions is?
Mr. GRAVES. Certainly. We were primarily seeing dark gray or…
- p. 28 …for you before I move
to Mr. Graves is you received prior approval from the Defense…
- p. 29 …to safety for potential airline passengers?
Mr. GRAVES. I have been made privy to conversations with…
- p. 32 …we all eagerly
await its results.
Mr. Graves, how might NASA’s research influence the commer…
- p. 33 …the agency to talk about it.
Mr. Graves, can you discuss the importance of seeking scientists…
- p. 36 …I wanted to pick up
on.
Mr. Graves, you mentioned specifically during the answer to one…
- p. 37 …them.
Ms. OCASIO-CORTEZ. OK. Mr. Graves?
Mr. GRAVES. I was an operator, so I was…
- p. 38 …start with Mr. Graves and go on down the panel.
Mr. GRAVES. Some of the initial…
- p. 39 …American people?
All of you, yes.
Mr. GRAVES. I will say yes to that.
Mr. GRUSCH…
- p. 42 …In all of the phenomenon, perhaps, Mr. Graves, that you have ana-
lyzed have we ever…
- p. 43 …I want to thank each of you for
being here to discuss a topic of grave…
- p. 47 …essentially collecting reconnaissance in-
formation?
Mr. Graves?
Mr. GRAVES. Yes.
Mr. OGLES. Mr. Grusch?
Mr. GRUSCH…
- p. 48 …in UAP data collection and housing?
Mr. GRAVES. I do not have an answer.
Mr. GRUSCH…
- p. 50 …right level.
Mr. RASKIN. OK. And, Mr. Graves, you said that there are dozens
of fellow…
- p. 51 …Mr. GRAVES. Yes.
Mr. RASKIN. And with no self-evident propulsion system?
Mr. GRAVES. No wings…
- p. 52 …the
public to report these sightings?
Mr. GRAVES. Right now I do not think there is…
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