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This is the official transcript of a July 26, 2023 hearing held by the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs, titled "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency." Witnesses Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Commander David Fravor testified under oath. Members pressed for transparency, and Graves described a near midair encounter with a cube inside a clear sphere.

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  • p. 13 …Fravor has his own UAP experience known as the Tic Tac event. I look forward to…
  • p. 17 …We continued down another 270 degrees, nose low, where the Tic Tac would have been. Our…
  • p. 18 …In closing, I would like to say that the Tic Tac object we engaged in 2004…
  • p. 20 …Fravor, the Tic Tac incident that you were engaged occurred in 2004. What kind of reporting…
  • p. 24 …Fravor, I noticed that in the Tic Tac video—it is Tic Tac like the candy…
  • p. 25 …We actually joked that the Tic Tac was communicating with something when we came back and…
  • p. 29 …So, we got within a half mile of the Tic Tac, which people say that is…
  • p. 43 …ever seen an object that looked and moved like the Tic Tac UAP? Commander FRAVOR. No.
  • p. 44 …Did the Tic Tac UAP move in such a way that defied the laws of physics…
  • p. 45 …Commander Fravor, we have all seen this floating Tic Tac video that you en- gaged with…
  • p. 46 …In your belief is this flying Tic Tac—I mean, is this—is it capable of…
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C O N T E N T S
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Hearing held on July 26, 2023 ............................................................................... 1
WITNESSES
Mr. Ryan Graves, Executive Director, Americans for Safe Aerospace
Oral Statement ........................................................................................................ 10
Mr. David Grusch, Former National Reconnaissance Office Representative,
Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force, Department of Defense
Oral Statement ........................................................................................................ 11
Commander David Fravor (Ret.), Former Commanding Officer, United States
Navy
Oral Statement ........................................................................................................ 12
Written opening statements and statements for the witnesses are available
on the U.S. House of Representatives Document Repository at:
docs.house.gov.
INDEX OF DOCUMENTS
* Report, Jeremy Corbell, ‘‘The UAP Puzzle’’; submitted by Rep. Burchett.
* Statement for the Record, by George Knapp; submitted by Rep. Burchett.
* Defense Intelligence Reference Document, ‘‘Advanced Space Propulsion
Based on Vacuum (Spacetime Metric) Engineering’’; submitted by Rep.
Burchett.
* Article, NewsNation, ‘‘We are not alone: The UFO whistleblower speaks’’;
submitted by Rep. Luna.
Documents are available at: docs.house.gov.

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