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This is the official transcript of a July 26, 2023 hearing held by the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs, titled "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency." Witnesses Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Commander David Fravor testified under oath. Members pressed for transparency, and Graves described a near midair encounter with a cube inside a clear sphere.

  • p. 6 …However, AARO’s budget remains classified, prohibiting meaningful over- sight from Congress. In addition to AARO…
  • p. 7 …Some have even confided in me that they have had UFO sightings of their own. Those…
  • p. 8 …Yet, from Roswell, New Mexico to the coast of Jacksonville, Flor- ida, the sightings of UAPs…
  • p. 9 …But we will hear from people who have had personal sightings rather than Pentagon bureaucrats who…
  • p. 12 …Government is aware a lot more sightings of UAPs and that they have not made that…
  • p. 14 …These sightings are not rare or isolated. They are routine. Military aircrew and commercial pilots, trained…
  • p. 15 11 was no official acknowledgement of the incident and no further mechanism to report the sightings…
  • p. 21 …of them also had their own eye sightings as well of these ob- jects. Now, that…
  • p. 28 …Later in the evening, post sunset, there were reports of other sightings on base including some…
  • p. 36 …Are they required to issue any disclosure re- garding UAP sightings or do they engage in…
  • p. 43 …What percentage of UAP sightings, in your belief, go unreported by our pilots? Mr. GRAVES. This…
  • p. 46 …You know, it has been said it is prob- ably the most credible UFO sighting in…
  • p. 50 …Are there also commercial pilots who have encountered the same kind of sightings that you de…
  • p. 51 …and that was a very close visual sighting. Mr. RASKIN. And you were in one of…
  • p. 52 …available to the public to report these sightings? Mr. GRAVES. Right now I do not think…
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C O N T E N T S
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Hearing held on July 26, 2023 ............................................................................... 1
WITNESSES
Mr. Ryan Graves, Executive Director, Americans for Safe Aerospace
Oral Statement ........................................................................................................ 10
Mr. David Grusch, Former National Reconnaissance Office Representative,
Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force, Department of Defense
Oral Statement ........................................................................................................ 11
Commander David Fravor (Ret.), Former Commanding Officer, United States
Navy
Oral Statement ........................................................................................................ 12
Written opening statements and statements for the witnesses are available
on the U.S. House of Representatives Document Repository at:
docs.house.gov.
INDEX OF DOCUMENTS
* Report, Jeremy Corbell, ‘‘The UAP Puzzle’’; submitted by Rep. Burchett.
* Statement for the Record, by George Knapp; submitted by Rep. Burchett.
* Defense Intelligence Reference Document, ‘‘Advanced Space Propulsion
Based on Vacuum (Spacetime Metric) Engineering’’; submitted by Rep.
Burchett.
* Article, NewsNation, ‘‘We are not alone: The UFO whistleblower speaks’’;
submitted by Rep. Luna.
Documents are available at: docs.house.gov.

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