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This is the official transcript of a July 26, 2023 hearing held by the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs, titled "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency." Witnesses Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Commander David Fravor testified under oath. Members pressed for transparency, and Graves described a near midair encounter with a cube inside a clear sphere.

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  • p. 3 …Ryan Graves, Executive Director, Americans for Safe Aerospace Oral Statement ........................................................................................................ 10 Mr. David Grusch, Former National…
  • p. 9 …to be here as well. To Mr. Graves, I am particularly grateful to you to spend…
  • p. 10 …UFOs by the Defense Intelligence Agency. Mr. Graves and Commander Fravor’s experiences with UAPs have…
  • p. 13 …Our first witness is Lieutenant Ryan Graves. He is the Ex- ecutive Director of Americans for…
  • p. 14 …STATEMENT OF RYAN GRAVES EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AMERICANS FOR SAFE AEROSPACE Mr. GRAVES. Thank you, Chairman Grothman…
  • p. 19 …I am going to start with Mr. Graves. Are your pilots, or pilots that you interact…
  • p. 20 …Mr. GROTHMAN. OK. Each of you? Mr. GRAVES. I would also like to add from a…
  • p. 21 …and pilots’ interaction with UAPs. Particularly, Mr. Graves, one of the, I think, concerns from Mem…
  • p. 22 …order to investigate. Mr. GARCIA. Mr. Graves? Mr. GRAVES. I will concur with everything Mr. Fravor…
  • p. 23 …technology we have today. Mr. Graves? Mr. Fravor? Mr. GRAVES. Yes. The objects that are being…
  • p. 25 …Mr. RASKIN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Graves, you reported UAP encounters during training flights, I…
  • p. 26 …what the convergence of descriptions is? Mr. GRAVES. Certainly. We were primarily seeing dark gray or…
  • p. 28 …for you before I move to Mr. Graves is you received prior approval from the Defense…
  • p. 29 …to safety for potential airline passengers? Mr. GRAVES. I have been made privy to conversations with…
  • p. 32 …we all eagerly await its results. Mr. Graves, how might NASA’s research influence the commer…
  • p. 33 …the agency to talk about it. Mr. Graves, can you discuss the importance of seeking scientists…
  • p. 36 …I wanted to pick up on. Mr. Graves, you mentioned specifically during the answer to one…
  • p. 37 …them. Ms. OCASIO-CORTEZ. OK. Mr. Graves? Mr. GRAVES. I was an operator, so I was…
  • p. 38 …start with Mr. Graves and go on down the panel. Mr. GRAVES. Some of the initial…
  • p. 39 …American people? All of you, yes. Mr. GRAVES. I will say yes to that. Mr. GRUSCH…
  • p. 42 …In all of the phenomenon, perhaps, Mr. Graves, that you have ana- lyzed have we ever…
  • p. 43 …I want to thank each of you for being here to discuss a topic of grave…
  • p. 47 …essentially collecting reconnaissance in- formation? Mr. Graves? Mr. GRAVES. Yes. Mr. OGLES. Mr. Grusch? Mr. GRUSCH…
  • p. 48 …in UAP data collection and housing? Mr. GRAVES. I do not have an answer. Mr. GRUSCH…
  • p. 50 …right level. Mr. RASKIN. OK. And, Mr. Graves, you said that there are dozens of fellow…
  • p. 51 …Mr. GRAVES. Yes. Mr. RASKIN. And with no self-evident propulsion system? Mr. GRAVES. No wings…
  • p. 52 …the public to report these sightings? Mr. GRAVES. Right now I do not think there is…
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C O N T E N T S
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Hearing held on July 26, 2023 ............................................................................... 1
WITNESSES
Mr. Ryan Graves, Executive Director, Americans for Safe Aerospace
Oral Statement ........................................................................................................ 10
Mr. David Grusch, Former National Reconnaissance Office Representative,
Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force, Department of Defense
Oral Statement ........................................................................................................ 11
Commander David Fravor (Ret.), Former Commanding Officer, United States
Navy
Oral Statement ........................................................................................................ 12
Written opening statements and statements for the witnesses are available
on the U.S. House of Representatives Document Repository at:
docs.house.gov.
INDEX OF DOCUMENTS
* Report, Jeremy Corbell, ‘‘The UAP Puzzle’’; submitted by Rep. Burchett.
* Statement for the Record, by George Knapp; submitted by Rep. Burchett.
* Defense Intelligence Reference Document, ‘‘Advanced Space Propulsion
Based on Vacuum (Spacetime Metric) Engineering’’; submitted by Rep.
Burchett.
* Article, NewsNation, ‘‘We are not alone: The UFO whistleblower speaks’’;
submitted by Rep. Luna.
Documents are available at: docs.house.gov.

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