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This is the official transcript of a July 26, 2023 hearing held by the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs, titled "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency." Witnesses Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Commander David Fravor testified under oath. Members pressed for transparency, and Graves described a near midair encounter with a cube inside a clear sphere.

  • p. 6 …Congress should work to ensure that knowledge is not driven by fear. Today, we are not…
  • p. 8 …We need to tell the folks at the Pentagon they work for us, daggum it. We…
  • p. 9 …In being an active-duty service member working on an airfield, I have had conversations with…
  • p. 11 …I am proud to say that this hearing builds upon bipartisan work by Members of the…
  • p. 12 …I want to thank, obviously, committee staff and their staff work- ing on this on a…
  • p. 13 …And, finally, retired Navy Commander David Fravor, squadron leader who worked as a naval aviator for…
  • p. 18 …They work with Leslie Keane, who is present today, Ralph Blumenthal and Helene Cooper to publish…
  • p. 20 …If you had one, you captured one, you reverse engineered it, you got it to work…
  • p. 21 …And so can you just briefly—you mentioned that you are working with 30 pilots right…
  • p. 22 …be an outcome that this Committee can work on. Is there anything else just for the…
  • p. 23 19 particularly by the 30 folks that you are working with, are essen- tially outside the…
  • p. 27 …To your knowledge, are NHIs working with adversarial foreign governments in either technology exchange programs or…
  • p. 29 …Grusch, as a result of your previous govern- ment work, have you met with people with…
  • p. 32 …marketplaces, and I think NASA’s work, as they work to identify and highlight specific parameters…
  • p. 33 …I have been working with the American Institute of Aero- nautics and Astronautics to help them…
  • p. 35 …hammered, but seems like it does not work the other way, right. Mr. BURCHETT. If you…
  • p. 40 …a theo- retical framework at least to work off to kind of espouse crashes. Regardless of…
  • p. 41 …did not have a FLIR system that worked. Here is what he said. They were out…
  • p. 45 …Got a Master’s from Univer- sity of Houston and I have worked in the private…
  • p. 48 …Do you have any personal knowledge of someone who has possibly been injured working on legacy…
  • p. 50 …we had at the entrance to our working area. One of these objects was completely stationary…
  • p. 51 47 exact entrance to our working areas, not only geographically but also altitude. So, it was…
  • p. 52 …I do want to thank the Committee staff on both sides for the amount of work…
  • p. 53 …the broader issue as it relates to working with our Republican counterparts on this Committee. I…
  • p. 54 …I need to compliment the folks in my office that did a lot of the work…
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I became a whistleblower through a PPD–19 urgent concern fil-
ing in May 2022 with the intelligence community inspector general
following concerning reports from multiple esteemed and
credentialed current and former military and intelligence commu-
nity individuals that the U.S. Government is operating with se-
crecy above congressional oversight with regards to UAPs.
My testimony is based on information I have been given by indi-
viduals with a long-standing track record of legitimacy and service
to this country, many of whom also have shared compelling evi-
dence in the form of photography, official documentation, and clas-
sified oral testimony to myself and many of my various colleagues.
I have taken every step I can to corroborate this evidence over
a period of 4 years while I was with the UAP Task Force and do
my due diligence on the individuals sharing it. It is because of
these steps, I believe strongly in the importance of bringing this in-
formation before you.
I am driven by a commitment of both to truth and transparency,
rooted in our inherent duty to uphold the United States Constitu-
tion and protect the American people. I am asking Congress to hold
our government to this standard and thoroughly investigate these
claims.
But as I stand here under oath now, I am speaking to the facts
as I have been told them. In the U.S. Air Force in my National Re-
connaissance Office—NRO—reservist capacity, I was a member of
the UAP Task Force from 2019 to 2021.
I served at the NRO operations center on the Director’s briefing
staff, which included the coordination of the Presidential daily brief
and supporting a variety of contingency operations, which I was
the reserve intelligence division chief backup.
In 2019, the UAP Task Force Director asked me to identify all
special access programs and controlled access programs, also
known as SAPs and CAPs, we needed to satisfy our congressionally
mandated mission and we would direct report at the time to the
DEP/SecDef.
At the time, due to my extensive executive level intelligence sup-
port duties I was cleared to literally all relevant compartments and
in a position of extreme trust both in my military and civilian ca-
pacities.
I was informed in the course of my official duties of a multi-dec-
ade UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program to which
I was denied access to those additional read-ons when I requested
it.
I made the decision based on the data I collected to report this
information to my superiors and multiple inspectors general and,
in effect, becoming a whistleblower. As you know, I have suffered
retaliation for my decision, but I am hopeful that my actions will
ultimately lead to a positive outcome of increased transparency.
Thank you, and I am happy to answer your questions.
Mr. GROTHMAN. Thank you.
Commander Fravor?

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