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This is the official transcript of a July 26, 2023 hearing held by the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs, titled "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency." Witnesses Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Commander David Fravor testified under oath. Members pressed for transparency, and Graves described a near midair encounter with a cube inside a clear sphere.

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  • p. 3 …Ryan Graves, Executive Director, Americans for Safe Aerospace Oral Statement ........................................................................................................ 10 Mr. David Grusch, Former National…
  • p. 9 …to be here as well. To Mr. Graves, I am particularly grateful to you to spend…
  • p. 10 …UFOs by the Defense Intelligence Agency. Mr. Graves and Commander Fravor’s experiences with UAPs have…
  • p. 13 …Our first witness is Lieutenant Ryan Graves. He is the Ex- ecutive Director of Americans for…
  • p. 14 …STATEMENT OF RYAN GRAVES EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AMERICANS FOR SAFE AEROSPACE Mr. GRAVES. Thank you, Chairman Grothman…
  • p. 19 …I am going to start with Mr. Graves. Are your pilots, or pilots that you interact…
  • p. 20 …Mr. GROTHMAN. OK. Each of you? Mr. GRAVES. I would also like to add from a…
  • p. 21 …and pilots’ interaction with UAPs. Particularly, Mr. Graves, one of the, I think, concerns from Mem…
  • p. 22 …order to investigate. Mr. GARCIA. Mr. Graves? Mr. GRAVES. I will concur with everything Mr. Fravor…
  • p. 23 …technology we have today. Mr. Graves? Mr. Fravor? Mr. GRAVES. Yes. The objects that are being…
  • p. 25 …Mr. RASKIN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Graves, you reported UAP encounters during training flights, I…
  • p. 26 …what the convergence of descriptions is? Mr. GRAVES. Certainly. We were primarily seeing dark gray or…
  • p. 28 …for you before I move to Mr. Graves is you received prior approval from the Defense…
  • p. 29 …to safety for potential airline passengers? Mr. GRAVES. I have been made privy to conversations with…
  • p. 32 …we all eagerly await its results. Mr. Graves, how might NASA’s research influence the commer…
  • p. 33 …the agency to talk about it. Mr. Graves, can you discuss the importance of seeking scientists…
  • p. 36 …I wanted to pick up on. Mr. Graves, you mentioned specifically during the answer to one…
  • p. 37 …them. Ms. OCASIO-CORTEZ. OK. Mr. Graves? Mr. GRAVES. I was an operator, so I was…
  • p. 38 …start with Mr. Graves and go on down the panel. Mr. GRAVES. Some of the initial…
  • p. 39 …American people? All of you, yes. Mr. GRAVES. I will say yes to that. Mr. GRUSCH…
  • p. 42 …In all of the phenomenon, perhaps, Mr. Graves, that you have ana- lyzed have we ever…
  • p. 43 …I want to thank each of you for being here to discuss a topic of grave…
  • p. 47 …essentially collecting reconnaissance in- formation? Mr. Graves? Mr. GRAVES. Yes. Mr. OGLES. Mr. Grusch? Mr. GRUSCH…
  • p. 48 …in UAP data collection and housing? Mr. GRAVES. I do not have an answer. Mr. GRUSCH…
  • p. 50 …right level. Mr. RASKIN. OK. And, Mr. Graves, you said that there are dozens of fellow…
  • p. 51 …Mr. GRAVES. Yes. Mr. RASKIN. And with no self-evident propulsion system? Mr. GRAVES. No wings…
  • p. 52 …the public to report these sightings? Mr. GRAVES. Right now I do not think there is…
U.S. GOVERNMENT PUBLISHING OFFICE
WASHINGTON :53–022 PDF 2023
UNIDENTIFIED ANOMALOUS PHENOMENA:
IMPLICATIONS ON NATIONAL SECURITY,
PUBLIC SAFETY, AND GOVERNMENT
TRANSPARENCY
HEARING
BEFORE THE
SUBCOMMITTEE ON NATIONAL SECURITY,
THE BORDER, AND FOREIGN AFFAIRS
OF THE
COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT
AND ACCOUNTABILITY
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
ONE HUNDRED EIGHTEENTH CONGRESS
FIRST SESSION
JULY 26, 2023
Serial No. 118–53
Printed for the use of the Committee on Oversight and Accountability
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