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Office of the Secretary of Defense: 022_SASC_Transcript_2023

Department of Defense. Office of the Secretary of Defense. · 2023 · 50 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is a stenographic transcript of an April 19, 2023 hearing of the Senate Armed Services Subcommittee on Emerging Threats and Capabilities, chaired by Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, on the mission and budget of the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office. AARO released it in full in 2025. Director Sean Kirkpatrick testified that AARO has found no credible evidence of extraterrestrial activity and that most reports resolve into mundane objects. He also presented trend data and two declassified MQ-9 videos, one of which was resolved as a commuter aircraft.

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  • p. 3 …Kirkpatrick to 19 lean in on this issue and the work that he has accomplished 20…
  • p. 5 …in interagency coordination after 14 the NSC Working Group disbands. 15 In the fiscal year 2023…
  • p. 7 …Adversaries like China and Russia are working to 9 hold U.S. interests, including our homeland…
  • p. 9 …24 All leadership that I have had the pleasure of working 25 with, whether DOD, IC…
  • p. 12 …As such, we are 10 working with industry, academia, and the scientific 11 community which bring…
  • p. 14 …10 In the wake of the PRC HAB event the interagency is 11 working to better…
  • p. 15 …AARO is working very hard to do the 14 same. That is how science works, not…
  • p. 16 …Much remains to be done but the hard work is 11 underway. 12 Thank you for…
  • p. 18 …How are we going to get more 22 data? We are working with the joint staff…
  • p. 20 …But this is the kind of data that we have to work 19 with and the…
  • p. 26 …22 In the course of your work have you become aware of any 23 Chinese or…
  • p. 28 …They are just willing to 21 try things and see if it works. 22 Are there…
  • p. 29 …I appreciate that and that 2 is why it is so important that you are working…
  • p. 30 …24 We are also working very closely with Joint Staff and 25 the Joint Staff has…
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  • p. 34 …So that is actually wrapped into the 15 plan ord that we are working with Joint…
  • p. 35 …work, here is what we have seen work, here is what does not 14 work. 15…
  • p. 36 …8 DOD and DNI are working through that now. I would have 9 to refer you…
  • p. 39 …I worked with the director of Joint Staff, 11 the J2 and the J3 that night…
  • p. 40 …That is why 25 it is so important the work we are doing with Joint Staff…
  • p. 43 …11 So part of our budget is working through what does that 12 look like and…
  • p. 46 …We have a lot of work to do. So if you do not hear 17 from…
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1 research and development necessary to support a serious
2 investigation. It took a letter to Secretary Austin from
3 Senator Rubio and me and 14 other senators to get the office
4 temporary relief for the current fiscal year.
5 In this hearing I intend to probe a series of specific
6 issues. In the recent incidents where multiple objects were
7 shot down over North America it seemed that Pentagon
8 leadership did not turn to AARO office to play a leading
9 role in advising the combatant commander.
10 We need to know whether this will continue. We need to
11 know whether the leadership in DOD will bring AARO into the
12 decision-making process in a visible way and we need to know
13 what role AARO will play in interagency coordination after
14 the NSC Working Group disbands.
15 In the fiscal year 2023 National Defense and
16 Intelligence Authorization Act Congress established a direct
17 reporting chain from the AARO director to the Deputy
18 Secretary of Defense.
19 The role of the Office of the Under Secretary of
20 Defense for Intelligence and Security is limited to
21 providing administrative support. We need to know how this
22 direction is being implemented.
23 UAP are frequently observed flying in extremely high or
24 very low speeds and come in various sizes and shapes.
25 During the recent shoot downs over North America DOD
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