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Office of the Secretary of Defense: 022_SASC_Transcript_2023

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This is a stenographic transcript of an April 19, 2023 hearing of the Senate Armed Services Subcommittee on Emerging Threats and Capabilities, chaired by Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, on the mission and budget of the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office. AARO released it in full in 2025. Director Sean Kirkpatrick testified that AARO has found no credible evidence of extraterrestrial activity and that most reports resolve into mundane objects. He also presented trend data and two declassified MQ-9 videos, one of which was resolved as a commuter aircraft.

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  • p. 3 …Kirkpatrick to 19 lean in on this issue and the work that he has accomplished 20…
  • p. 5 …in interagency coordination after 14 the NSC Working Group disbands. 15 In the fiscal year 2023…
  • p. 7 …Adversaries like China and Russia are working to 9 hold U.S. interests, including our homeland…
  • p. 9 …24 All leadership that I have had the pleasure of working 25 with, whether DOD, IC…
  • p. 12 …As such, we are 10 working with industry, academia, and the scientific 11 community which bring…
  • p. 14 …10 In the wake of the PRC HAB event the interagency is 11 working to better…
  • p. 15 …AARO is working very hard to do the 14 same. That is how science works, not…
  • p. 16 …Much remains to be done but the hard work is 11 underway. 12 Thank you for…
  • p. 18 …How are we going to get more 22 data? We are working with the joint staff…
  • p. 20 …But this is the kind of data that we have to work 19 with and the…
  • p. 26 …22 In the course of your work have you become aware of any 23 Chinese or…
  • p. 28 …They are just willing to 21 try things and see if it works. 22 Are there…
  • p. 29 …I appreciate that and that 2 is why it is so important that you are working…
  • p. 30 …24 We are also working very closely with Joint Staff and 25 the Joint Staff has…
  • p. 31 30 Scheduling@TP.One 800.FOR.DEPO www.TP.One (800.367.3376) 1 work through…
  • p. 34 …So that is actually wrapped into the 15 plan ord that we are working with Joint…
  • p. 35 …work, here is what we have seen work, here is what does not 14 work. 15…
  • p. 36 …8 DOD and DNI are working through that now. I would have 9 to refer you…
  • p. 39 …I worked with the director of Joint Staff, 11 the J2 and the J3 that night…
  • p. 40 …That is why 25 it is so important the work we are doing with Joint Staff…
  • p. 43 …11 So part of our budget is working through what does that 12 look like and…
  • p. 46 …We have a lot of work to do. So if you do not hear 17 from…
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1 what we have to do as we go through these, especially the
2 ones that show signatures of advanced technical
3 capabilities, is determine if there is a foreign nexus.
4 That is really hard if what we observe does not have a
5 Chinese or Russian flag on the side of it.
6 Now, I think it is prudent to say of the -- of the
7 cases that are showing some sort of advanced technical
8 signature of which we are talking single percentages of the
9 entire population of cases we have. I am concerned about
10 what that nexus is and I have indicators that some are
11 related to foreign capabilities.
12 We have to investigate that with our IC partners and as
13 we get evidence to support that that gets then handed off to
14 the appropriate IC agency to investigate. Again, it becomes
15 an SEP at that point.
16 Senator Ernst: Yeah, somebody else's problem.
17 Mr. Kirkpatrick: Right.
18 Senator Ernst: Very good. Thank you. Yes.
19 Is it possible that the Chinese or Russian advanced
20 technologies could be causing some of these anomalous
21 behaviors? And you said there seems to be some indicators.
22 So just for us today could you describe a potential threat
23 that might exist out there if they are of foreign nexus?
24 Mr. Kirkpatrick: Sure. In order to do this research
25 appropriately we have to also be cognizant of what is the
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