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This is a stenographic transcript of an April 19, 2023 hearing of the Senate Armed Services Subcommittee on Emerging Threats and Capabilities, chaired by Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, on the mission and budget of the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office. AARO released it in full in 2025. Director Sean Kirkpatrick testified that AARO has found no credible evidence of extraterrestrial activity and that most reports resolve into mundane objects. He also presented trend data and two declassified MQ-9 videos, one of which was resolved as a commuter aircraft.

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  • p. 3 …Kirkpatrick to 19 lean in on this issue and the work that he has accomplished 20…
  • p. 5 …in interagency coordination after 14 the NSC Working Group disbands. 15 In the fiscal year 2023…
  • p. 7 …Adversaries like China and Russia are working to 9 hold U.S. interests, including our homeland…
  • p. 9 …24 All leadership that I have had the pleasure of working 25 with, whether DOD, IC…
  • p. 12 …As such, we are 10 working with industry, academia, and the scientific 11 community which bring…
  • p. 14 …10 In the wake of the PRC HAB event the interagency is 11 working to better…
  • p. 15 …AARO is working very hard to do the 14 same. That is how science works, not…
  • p. 16 …Much remains to be done but the hard work is 11 underway. 12 Thank you for…
  • p. 18 …How are we going to get more 22 data? We are working with the joint staff…
  • p. 20 …But this is the kind of data that we have to work 19 with and the…
  • p. 26 …22 In the course of your work have you become aware of any 23 Chinese or…
  • p. 28 …They are just willing to 21 try things and see if it works. 22 Are there…
  • p. 29 …I appreciate that and that 2 is why it is so important that you are working…
  • p. 30 …24 We are also working very closely with Joint Staff and 25 the Joint Staff has…
  • p. 31 30 Scheduling@TP.One 800.FOR.DEPO www.TP.One (800.367.3376) 1 work through…
  • p. 34 …So that is actually wrapped into the 15 plan ord that we are working with Joint…
  • p. 35 …work, here is what we have seen work, here is what does not 14 work. 15…
  • p. 36 …8 DOD and DNI are working through that now. I would have 9 to refer you…
  • p. 39 …I worked with the director of Joint Staff, 11 the J2 and the J3 that night…
  • p. 40 …That is why 25 it is so important the work we are doing with Joint Staff…
  • p. 43 …11 So part of our budget is working through what does that 12 look like and…
  • p. 46 …We have a lot of work to do. So if you do not hear 17 from…
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1 Senator Gillibrand: Thank you so much, Dr.
2 Kirkpatrick.
3 Can you just give us some raw numbers of how many UAPs
4 you have analyzed, how many have been resolved, and sort of
5 in what buckets and then how many are still left to be
6 resolved? Just an update from your January public report
7 where it was 366 or something and about 150 were balloons
8 and about two dozen were drones. Just give us an update if
9 you have one.
10 Mr. Kirkpatrick: Sure. So as of this week we are
11 tracking over -- a total of 650 cases. Now, the report in
12 January basically said about half of the ones at that time,
13 about 150, were balloon -- were likely balloon like or
14 something like that. That does not mean they are resolved.
15 Senator Gillibrand: Oh, I see.
16 Mr. Kirkpatrick: Okay. So what -- let me walk
17 everyone through what our analytic process looks like.
18 We have, essentially, a five-step process. So we have
19 -- we get our cases in with all the data. We create a case
20 for that event. My team does a preliminary scrub of all of
21 those cases as they come in to sort out do we have any
22 information that says this is in one of those likely
23 categories -- it is likely a balloon, it is likely a balloon
24 -- a bird, it is likely some other object or we do not know.
25 Then we prioritize those based off of where they are.
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