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MOD file DEFE 24/2032/1

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This Ministry of Defence file, released through The National Archives and published by The Black Vault, holds the MOD's 2002 handling of Dr David Clarke's requests for UFO documents under the Code of Practice on Access to Government Information. It includes the MOD's 9 December 2002 reply, which covered reports from 1976, 1980, 1993 and 1996 and charged £260. It also contains internal emails and file requisitions, plus Foreign Office and United Nations papers from 1978 on Grenada's proposal for UFO research.

  • p. 7 …The work has taken 21 hours and 20 minutes to complete and as, indicated in my…
  • p. 9 …United Nations to establish an agency or working group for research into UFOs. This was mentioned…
  • p. 19 …United Nations to establish an agency or working group for research A into unidentified flying objects…
  • p. 28 …further re~uests the Con1nittee to submit a pre1 imlru1i:y report on its work by…
  • p. 30 …delegation, with the full support of Premier Gairy, sought to establish an ad hoc working group…
  • p. 38 …out to his co-pilot, First Officer Lee Boyd, The jet pilot's instruments started working…
  • p. 40 …lodestone, was thought to be the I.work of the Devil, as indeed were some of…
  • p. 41 …I acknowledge, how- ever, that, for example, the works of Darwin were once thought incompatible with…
  • p. 45 …at this time, but we should start working for it. If we had a worldwide organisa…
  • p. 46 …He has done a we are studying hagiography-and I had job of work and I…
  • p. 57 …I have noticed that so far none of who might be willing to work for a…
  • p. 58 …ful job for ··or!unity, I •r working re, if that ,; for the 'quircd. I summings…
  • p. 64 …We must return to work in this dreary old world and the difficulties we are in…
  • p. 100 …debate-to pay tribute to the valuable work which broadcasters un- doubtedly play in our society…
  • p. 102 …t Kingdom to study unidentified flying objects, working closely with the French , one. ·:.••i The MINISTER…
  • p. 104 …She has extended and ex-~ objects, working closely with the French panded in the best possible…
  • p. 111 …Every tim~ something appears, we send it to tr~t specialist body which is working, basically…
  • p. 118 …as it can be deduced from the work of the CNES, where Mr Jean-claude Poher…
  • p. 145 …debate-to pay tribute to the valuable work which broadcasters un- doubtedly play in our society…
  • p. 148 …objects, working closely with the French· . ~ •. 9ne. The MINISTER of STATE,' DEPAR,T,~i MENT of…
  • p. 150 …She has extended and ex-, objects, working closely with the French pa.nded ,in the best…
  • p. 160 …Every tim~ something appears, we send it to tl~t specialist body which is working, basically…
  • p. 167 …the phenomenon as it can be deduced from the work of the CNES, where Mr Jean…
  • p. 315 …Unfortunate! y the·· Cl ee-Hi 11 · radar head was not working on primary radar during…
  • p. 383 …during the recording period, therefore, only aircraft working Secondary Surveillance Radar can be seen. 3. Listed…
  • p. 400 …painstaking investigation over a period of 8 working days and, although all the light phenomenae have…
  • p. 405 …observed by all crew members intermittently (busy working the ship) from 0246 til daybreak. - observed about…
  • p. 413 …who axe presumably all quite used to working a.t night and therefore are quite fa…
  • p. 418 ... .,.,--{ ... •. ,,.. tlbdar operators who work routinely in particular areas using the same radar head, as is borne…
  • p. 433 …painstaking investigation over a period of a working days and, although all the light phenomenae have…
  • p. 438 …observed by all crew members intermittently (busy working the ship) from 0246 til daybreak. - observed about…
  • p. 444 …pr~~sum<~~Ul) all quite used to working at night and therefore looking at the sky…
  • p. 449 41bdar operators who work routinely in particular areas using the same radar head, as is borne…
  • p. 460 …I may decide if I wish the work to continue. With reference to your comments in…
  • p. 463 …This estimate indicates the largest period of time that might be required, clearly if the work…
  • p. 472 …of the sum involved in undertaking the work I have requested. If the sum does exceed…
  • p. 477 …I estimate that undertaking the work you have requested will take around 23 hours. Four hours…
  • p. 481 …certain amount of work might cost. "I estimate that undertaking the work you have requested will…
  • p. 486 …Dr Clarke is entitled to the first four hours work free and every following hour (or…
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probably millions, at any rate hundreds I have been translated into many languages
of thouse.nds, without exaggeration. If and I congratulate him. He has done a
we are studying hagiography-and I had job of work and I hope that the debate
better be careful-which is the history of initiated by the noble Earl will receive
the saints, if I came off my Welsh moun- some attention. People tend to scoff,
tains and came down as a little bov of 12 but it is only a few days ago that we were
and said J had seen the Virgin· Mary sitting at the piano, playing and knocking
springing out of a rock, some devout out-not with the brilliance of a top
religious people would believe me; but if pianist-" We three kings of Orient arc".
I said I had seen a flying saucer they would What did they follow? They followed a
not believe me. What is the difference? star. What was that star? We have had
Jt is a question that has to be asked; it is an intellectual anc:.Jysis of why after the
a philosophical question that ]1as to be Crucifixion darkness spread over the
asked, when intellectuality, in its pompous earth. The noble Lord, Lord Trefgarne-
way in its Sunday newspaper articles, is who has piloted from one side ofti1e ocean
dealing in print with mysteries that tothcothcr--made intellectual assumptions
Shakespeare described-to misquote him: c:.bout earthquakes and eclipses. \Ve are
" There is more in heaven and earth than not completely sure how to explain
is thought of in man's philosophy". eclipses or earthquakes, but \VC have a
kind of Kepler mathematics that times
things rather nicely. It is not quite
enough to explain the earthquakes. It
does not mean that the mystery of the
UFOs is something that can be brushed
aside, and it is an anthropological arro-
gance to so say.
So this deserves not being pushed aside.
Mark you, my Lords, I was told today
outside those doors that an ambassador of
8 ft. 6 ins. with green feet and webbed
feet as well had asked whether he could
park his flying saucer in our car park,
according to some of the telephones that
have been ringing here today, because
some people have treated the whole matter
as a joke. I would, therefore, suggest
to them that they read H. G. Wells' Final
Efsay. They can read it in half an hour.
It is slim, it is cogent, it is succinct. He
says the human mind is at the end of its
tether.
There is a queerness in the cosmclogy
of the world in which we are now living.
Was Wells right? We certainly see mai1-
kind acting queer when petrol is short.
He is snarling and worse than any being
from outer space. The anthropological
arrogance of 20th century man in his
tinpot motor-cars riding through the
streets of the lovely spaceship we call the
world is hartbreaking. He has learnt
nothing from his two wars; and if we had
another, God help mankind, in view of the
way that he has shown his greed, selfish-
ness and tendency to panic as never before
since the days of the Crusades. The
greatest delusion in the history of man was
the delusion of the Crusades·. But men
went on them after the days of Peter the
Hermit with a fiery and fierce belief in
what they were doing.
The noble Earl, Lord Clancarty, is an
expert who has been written about.
In fact, he dropped everything else to
write about this matter. His seven books 1
Good heavens, I have been speaking for
nine minutes! My Lords, do not \Vorry,
I shall be about another five. The House
has heard a number of laudable· people
quoted. Ordinary little people h::tve
sometimes been laughed nt, especially
those concerned in the famous sighting
at Pascagoula in Mississippi when one
little fellow fainted when he saw a chap
with one leg jumping towards him with a
wizened and wrinkled face, with pointed
eats, crab claws for hands, slits for eyes
and holes beneath his nostril3--they would
not be nostrils wilhout holes, at least l
should hope so! We shall not develop
fantastic descriptions like that. 'Ne shall
not go into those realms. But we must
say that there are many people who have
said that they have experienced these
phenomena.
I agree that the New Zealand incident
has reawakened man's interest and as
the noble Lord, Lord Trefgarne, said,
they were not clear pictures. However,
I attended a scientific lecture in this noble
building not so long ago, giYen by some-
one who believed faithfully in the Loch
Ness monster. He showed us masses of
films. He was a scientist and he swore
that the Loch Ness monster existed.
There is just as much case for the existence
of flying saucers. We know that they
exist. All we are saying is that they are
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